The new atheists and The war on History

[Shell B]

The problem is not there is a difference between killing an old lady and killing a young lady.

Then why mention it? Have you been reading First Things? Her age is a moot point. In fact, atheists have nothing to do with her being portrayed as youthful in the film. That's Hollywood. Besides, she was anywhere between 40 and 70. No one is quite sure when she was born, so you can pretty much can that one.

But that historical facts are distorted in such a way, that the idea of an eternal conflict between science and religion is created.

Yep. You have been reading First Things.

Historical facts are changed to such an extent as to validate the conflict thesis.

There was a conflict. Even your video, which you do not seem to realize argues against your point, shows that there has been a conflict.

And yes we have the greatest atheists of the moment, classifying Christianity as being a Bronze age religion, promoting the myth of the 1000 years "dark Age" and all this to support their a priori idea.

Listen, if you are going to start throwing out issues about myths, I suggest you toss your myths out with the bathwater first, buddy.

Obviously we can, I did not happen.

Obviously we can't. We have no idea how the library was destroyed. It is a mystery. We do know that there was a library. We do know that Christians did not like the melting pot of religion that was Alexandria. We also know that other conflicts could have led to its destruction. Another thing we know, the building may have survived and then been hidden or destroyed by a natural disaster, which destroyed other landmarks of Alexandria.

Your agenda is showing. You might want to tuck that in and try debating history with the grownups.

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I graduated from two universities
1. History
2. Political Science

Yes, but from where did you matriculate? History and Political Science aren't colleges; they are majors.

Precisely. My experience leads me to find it highly unlikely that he had any such major as "history" either. I mean, just history? History of what? Didn't you specialize in anything? Wouldn't it be stupid not to specialize in something? Do universities even offer just history? I don't know.

- Christians or natural disaster -
Perhaps it was just a lucky coincidence that all civilizations had healers, but only in Christianity, modern medicine has emerged, that all civilizations had astrology but only in Christianity modern astronomy emerged, that all civilizations had alchemy but only in Christianity modern chemistry emerged.

Check it out, off-topic self-gratification. Christianity is not a civilization. Funny, because all of the things you say stem from Christianity came from civilizations that also had atheists. Atheists are responsible for everything! Yeah, that does not work, either. If you are going to masturbate, do it in private.

[Minimalist]

Theodosius, xtian thug par excellence, ordered the destruction of the Serapeum in 391. At one time a portion of the Great Library's holdings had been kept there. The Great Library seems to have been burned in the Emperor Aurelian's attack on the city to quash a revolt in the prior century.
Whatever books may have been kept at the Serapeum may or may not have still been there. Ancient sources do not address that aspect of Theodosius' assault on non-xtians.


I am curious as to what "medicine" you think emerged from xtianity? A bunch of superstitious hicks beating themselves to atone or praying to their non-existent god did not give rise to modern medicine. Science did that and science was only freed from the shackles of religious barbarism after the Age of Enligtenment.

[downbeatplumb]

Indeed its only very recently that doctors have done more than let your relatives know what you died of.

The ideas of Galen and the humurs of the body were still popular as recently as the peninsular wars.

[Epimethean]

Hello to our newest xtian loon.

"... only in Christianity, modern medicine has emerged."

http://www.richeast.org/htwm/Greeks/Roma...index.html

Doctors don't take the Hippocratic Oath to snub jeebus: Christians had fuck all for medicine before the Greeks and Romans.

[5thHorseman]

First thing a History student learns; How to be objective not subjective. OP, you fail.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

VyckRo Wrote:
I graduated from two universities
1. History
2. Political Science

So what? (appeal to irrelevant authority)

Many of the people here (including me) have degrees equally or more relevant.



The purposes of most undergraduate degrees is hopefully teach one to think and to introduce one to a discipline. An undergraduate degree does NOT make one an expert,only a person who has read a bit. A graduate degree may become an expert in a narrow area of a discipline.You offer your opinions,which is your right.However,so far I've seen nothing which gives your arguments credibility and nothing to suggest you have the expert status implied by your appeal to authority.

From reading your posts, I think you could have as many degrees as a thermometer and you would remain a closed minded apologist,unmoved by anything as prosaic as reason or evidence..

Can't be bothered with you.


PS: Giordano Bruno was executed for heresy. The church did a lot of that,and it is inexcusable.Period.

[Rev. Rye]

Since it looks like this one doesn't seem to be able to debate intelligently, can we send her to the gauntlet?

[5thHorseman]

Many of the people here (including me) have degrees equally or more relevant.

Actually, Padraic and Min are so old they remember this shit first hand!

[Shell B]

Snap!

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Many of the people here (including me) have degrees equally or more relevant.

Actually, Padraic and Min are so old they remember this shit first hand!

Oh,tres drole.


I fart in your general direction