Stupid things religious people say

[Angrboda]

Well, that's the $64,000 question, if you include things that aren't fully human in the usual sense the word is used, do they still possess that right?

You only get to that position, usually, by ignoring actual differences that exist in a pretense that a zygote is no different from a 36 year old person.

Yes; "human rights" should belong to all who fall under the category of "human" - by any scientific metric a fetus would fall under that category.

In that regard there is no meaningful difference between a zygote and a 36 year old individual; their rights are not dependent on their physical traits or accomplishments but rather the innate act of being human.

Again, it would be asking me what the difference is between an Ethiopian and a German in the attempt to explain why the Ethiopian deserves less rights; I don't care about the physical difference but their innate humanity.

As a starter, note that we do not object to killing animals that have more in common with the 36 year old than does the zygote. Why is that moral if some characteristic or set of characteristics is the bar for acquiring the right you want to liberally apply?

We absolutely object to animal abuse, with all states in America and - to the best of my knowledge - all our allied nations having fairly strong animal abuse legislation.

That said - animals are not humans, therefor they don't have an inherent right to human rights. It seems logical to limit the rights to human rights to those who meet the characteristics of being a human.

Animal abuse was not what was being asked about. Nice try moving the goalposts.

Anyway, you've yet to show how humans meaning the unborn being killed is wrong is anything but a bare assertion. If that's all it is, it bears no weight.

I don't tend to engage in debates about abortion. I let you taunt me into feeling that I had to answer. So let's try to wrap this up, please.

Show how "humans in the womb have the right to life" is anything but a bare assertion. Deriving it from any other usage of 'humans' wherein the usage referred to something other than the life inside the womb is a form of equivocation and thus invalid. As a matter of history, taking the life of certain life in the womb has not been seen as wrong. If you're going to establish a right for a class of beings, you'll need to do more than just declare it so.

As to whether there is any meaningful difference between a zygote and a 36 year old, of course there is. Your attempt to restrict it to a certain aspect of being is again simply an attempt to pretend such differences don't exist when they certainly do, and as can be shown readily, such differences have historically been shown to be important. So again, you're simply asserting what you need to establish as well as engaging in a form of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.

To put a final thought on this post, we establish rights somewhat arbitrarily in many cases. An 18 year old can vote in one state but cannot drink alcohol in that same state. A cluster of cells may be protected while a fully grown chimpanzee may not. It's not a logical process at all, despite some people throwing around loaded words in pseudo-syllogistic form in an attempt to mislead and prejudge.

[The Grand Nudger]

Legality is not morality. Legality is not scientific. Even if a dominionists appeals to these two items weren't entirely full of shit they'd be irrelevant. If a dominionists appeals to these things weren't full of shit, and they actually wanted our laws to conform to moral and scientific lines, then their religious bullshit would be tossed out in it's entirety.

....and all of this, all of it, is a joke..because magic book only talks about abortion once, and it's a set of instructions on where to get one if you think bitches be sleepin around.

[Paleophyte]

Why does a woman's right to bodily autonomy supersede the right to life of another human?

Let me restate the question for you in a way that you'll understand the answer.

"Why does a man's right to bodily autonomy supersede the right to life of another human?"

Why are the mother's rights more important than the rights of the child?

We both know that you know that it isn't a child, so stop being disingenuous. And your "god" kills one in four.

[Fake Messiah]

So, what is Jesus', and thus the Christian, message? Your guess is as good as mine or anyone else's.

From The Christian Post

‘Pathetic’ or ‘prophetic’?: 5 Christians' reactions to bishop's sermon rebuking Trump

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, has garnered headlines for a sermon she delivered at the Service of Prayer for the Nation at the Washington National Cathedral on Tuesday.

“In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde said. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.”

“The people who pick our crops, and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Here are five reactions to Budde’s comments.

Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Christian organization the Family Research Council: “The cause of America’s decline was not what was sitting in the pew but what was standing behind the pulpit. What we heard today was not a prophetic voice from the church, but rather pathetic.”

Shane Claiborne, a progressive Christian activist: “So grateful to my dear friend and sister Bishop Mariann Budde for bearing witness to the love and mercy and compassion of our God. This is what it looks like to speak the truth in love. A committed follower of Jesus, I see no way to defend Donald Trump, who has made a vocation out of the seven deadly sins.”

William Wolfe, executive director of the Center for Baptist Leadership: "Mass immigration and transgenderism are fundamentally gnostic heresies. They both deny the reality and the goodness of the physical world—nations on one hand and our God-given bodies on the other. Budde was preaching a false faith that’s not Christianity at all." Wolfe added that he was “glad this happened” because he believed it was “good that America got to witness what the subversion of the church and our Christian institutions looks like—in all its ugly glory—in live time and on a mass scale.”

Amanda Tyler of the progressive Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and the group Christians Against Christian Nationalism: “Bishop Mariann is an example to all faith leaders and to all Americans of the value of separation of religion and government. The independence of the church gives space to speak truth of power. We will only become an authoritarian country if we act like we already live in one.”

Megan Basham, a bestselling author and reporter with The Daily Wire: “What you need to understand is that the left-wing infiltration into churches has for decades been organized & well funded by secular foundations intent on hollowing out their spiritual doctrines & replacing them with political programs this is the fruit.”


https://www.christianpost.com/news/5-chr...trump.html

[Fake Messiah]

Attending Church Regularly Will Lengthen Your Life More than Diet, Exercise: Longevity Expert

Attending church services may open the door to eternal life — but it will also extend your life on Earth more than diet or exercise, according to the foremost expert on global longevity.

Don Buettner, who won three Emmy Awards for his groundbreaking 2023 documentary “Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones,” revealed the deep benefits that faith in God renders to those who want to live a long and prosperous life. Although America faces an epidemic of chronic diseases, “only about 20% of how long you live is dictated by your genes,” he told “Mornings with Maria” on Friday, August 30. A healthy lifestyle incorporating diet, exercise, and stress management means the average person can live “12 more years in good health.”

But the statistics he shared proved that an active faith in God, including weekly church attendance, had potentially the biggest impact on extending earthly life.

Buettner’s documentary investigated regions in the world known for having the longest average lifespan. Researchers interviewed 263 centenarians — people who had lived to the age of 100 — and found all but five “belonged to some faith-based community.”

The healthiest elderly had a common characteristic: “having a faith. We know people who go to church — or temple, or even mosque — and show up four times per month are living four to 14 years longer than people who aren’t.” The figure may come from a study finding regular church attendance lengthened the average American’s life by seven years — and 14 years for African Americans.

https://zenit.org/2024/09/13/attending-c...he%20study.

[Paleophyte]

Buettner’s documentary investigated regions in the world known for having the longest average lifespan.

Scandinavia? Japan?

Researchers interviewed 263 centenarians — people who had lived to the age of 100 — and found all but five “belonged to some faith-based community.”

There's an old adage that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. If you have lived to 100 years old you were born in 1925 at the latest and grew up in a very different culture from what we have today. Given that the researchers would have to have seen a bias that obvious, plus a handful more, suggests that they know that their data is skewed but prefer to pedal an agenda. That explains why they're winning Emmys rather than Nobels.

[HappySkeptic]

Being connected to others is good for longevity. Some people find that connection at church. No magic needed.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Attending Church Regularly Will Lengthen Your Life More than Diet, Exercise: Longevity Expert

I never wanted to live long anyway. I'll stick with exercise.

[Ravenshire]

The level of willful ignorance on display in this thread hasn't been seen 'round these parts since GC departed the forum for good. I bow to TWM for putting on such a show.

[h4ym4n]

Attending Church Regularly Will Lengthen Your Life More than Diet, Exercise: Longevity Expert

These idiot just have no desire to go to paradise