Is Zionism a Spiritual Phenomenon?

[Leonardo17]

Netanyahu’s “Special Operation” in Gaza is not ending. If you want the truth, the now 75 year old War in Palestine is now ending.
 
The only think I am seeing there is a Rhodesia / Ancient South-Africa style “Jewish” state apparatus that is trying to colonize all of Palestine in a slow and gradual manner because the current world order is not allowing Israel to simply take over the whole place and say “This is my country now so away with all of you”.
 
My second opinion on this is that the Salafist movement is very likely something that works for and in concert with this Zionist movement. Once you have de-secularized all Muslim Nations it’s easy to portray all these population as savages so that you can promote neo-colonialist and racist approaches because these are savages that need to be humanized in some way. That’s something I remember from my history classes. The main ideology behind the colonial empires in the 18th and 19th century is this “Mission civilizatrice” that give the right to European invaders the right to invade and subdue basically all other civilizations of the planet.
 
I had thought that this ideology had vanished (starting from the 1950’s and until the late 70’s). But this is not true. Israel has turned into a colonialist power and is claiming all of Gaza for itself.
 
So today Greta was stopped by Israeli authorities while trying to break the food blockade imposed by Israel on the Gazan Population:
 
  https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-b...34695.html
 
No matter what Mr. Netanyahu Says or does, the situation there is unsustainable. It’s like the Salafist Rulers of Iran. The only way to sustain this is by killing and killing and killing and killing.
 
We live in a world in which we have very pertinent philosophical, legal and political approaches to solve such endless conflicts. 1) We have systems that allow large groups of humans (called nations) to live together without endless power struggles and/or oppression of any part of these populations.
 
We also have international systems (that are not so inefficient) that are laying down a theoretical basis for different nations to live peacefully with one another.
 
So this Bolsonarist approach in Israel is simply not going to work. There will be no Riviera and all of these (yes) very primitive people are not going to vanish into thin air. So instead of working with the Salafists the world needs to work against them and the Jewish community in the world (which is a strong power on its own) needs to reconsider what they are currently doing to themselves actually.
 
There are no hopeless situations in this world. Only hopeless individuals (that how I see it) 

[Ivan Denisovich]

There is an approach that would work I think. It was tried once and brought concrete results. Namely it was operation Noble Anvil*. If bombing the shit of milosevic forces worked then I wager the same result would be achieved with netanyahu forces. Israel is not special, it is not city on the hill where chosen people live. It's a country like any other and if one country armed forces could been bombed to stop ethnic cleansing then the same can be done with another rogue state.


*Name Merciful Angel though result of mistranslation also works and would be even biblically accurate given what angels in this book of fairy tales often did.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Only circumstantially. It’s primarily a political phenomenon.

Boru

[Belacqua]

There are no hopeless situations in this world. Only hopeless individuals (that how I see it) 

The only tiny bit of hope I see here is that people are finally waking up to the horror of it. 

Not that long ago, if you said that Israel is doing bad things in Gaza, people would automatically say "Hamas!!!" As if this justified shooting little kids in the head. We have been trained for years to fear Muslim terrorism to the point that we allow anything at all in the name of fighting against it.

But even the BBC and other consistently Israel-justifying news outlets are starting to admit that something terrible is happening. As usual, they wake up when it's too late, but at least they are starting to tell the truth. 

Not that it will have any effect on the main genocide-enabler, the US government. Even fake progressive AOC came out with AIPAC talking points a week ago. 

Of course the pro-Israel people are mocking Greta and her boat. But the only sane question is: why weren't there a hundred more boats alongside?

[Fake Messiah]

Not that long ago, if you said that Israel is doing bad things in Gaza, people would automatically say "Hamas!!!"

Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a typical religious conflict frequent in many countries where different religions have to coexist. There is no right side or wrong side since they are both delusional. If they let go of their religions, there would be no conflict.

We have been trained for years to fear Muslim terrorism to the point that we allow anything at all in the name of fighting against it.

Trained? So we shouldn't fear Muslim terrorism because it's like good terrorism?

But even the BBC and other consistently Israel-justifying news outlets are starting to admit that something terrible is happening. As usual, they wake up when it's too late, but at least they are starting to tell the truth.

Not that it will have any effect on the main genocide-enabler, the US government. Even fake progressive AOC came out with AIPAC talking points a week ago.

So we should not fear Muslim terrorism, but rather Jews and the American government, both of which are evil. How enlightening.

[Leonardo17]

I believe that things can move very fast in our world and there are many instances (like right now) when I cannot really understand what is really is going on:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/explosions-ri...46234.html
 
Benjamin Netanyahu has been sending positive messages to the Iranian people saying that the day of their liberation from the oppressive political Islamist regime is near.
 
On one hand I am really tired of this Israeli Palestinian conflict. I simply believe that this Arab-Jew conflict is nonsense and that it lasted for too long. No one can live like this. Not the Arabs, not the Jews.
 
Still Netanyahu attacking Iran and Donald Trump backing it is not such a negative development for me. Iran has been seeking to export its Islamo-fascist regime to my country since decades. I don’t want civilians to be hit. But I see any move that puts this brutal regime into difficulty as a rather positive development.
 
In terms of energy, proletarian dictatorship, Nazism, Fascism, Maduro style socialism, the Sandinista regime, Religious dictatorships, all types of far right populism even Chinese style communism are very similar. These are all ideologies in which a limited number of people (who happen to have all the right answers) are claiming that they came to rule the rest of us (who are ignorant and are too stupid to see the whole truth).
 
So that’s one side of the coin. The other side is this: Western Capitalism is also everything they say it is. Political Islam and Hamas is a joint CIA-Mossad invention. Osama Bin Laden used to work for the CIA. Before the fall of his regime, The Shah of Iran used to be a key US ally in the region.
 
As we see in the current situation in Ukraine. Western democracies do not automatically support democratic endeavors around the world. A good example to this is Ahmad Shah Massoud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud
 
The day of his assassination was the day 9/11 happened. And his son is still leading his guerillas against the Taliban.
 
So the only problem with our current system is that it is not really a good system. Many parts of it are insufficient and populist leaders like Donald Trump don’t do anything to make it better.
 
So as a spiritual person I say that this has to change. I believe for instance that more programs like US Aid are needed and this in turn would allow the US in the long run to make more cuts in its military spending and as a result of this, fewer people would become populist and more people would sincerely believe in democratic institutions.
 
The problem with almost all religions is that they have become more political than spiritual. Which is why I believe that the average atheist is usually smarter than the average religious type

[Ivan Denisovich]

I believe that things can move very fast in our world and there are many instances (like right now) when I cannot really understand what is really is going on:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/explosions-ri...46234.html
 
Benjamin Netanyahu has been sending positive messages to the Iranian people saying that the day of their liberation from the oppressive political Islamist regime is near.
 

Considering that Amnesty International found sufficient basis to say that israel is committing genocide and that the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk sees israel actions as tantamount to ethnic cleansing coupled with the fact that ICC claims that netanyahu and gallant bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts, netanyahu words mean less than shit. He is about as believable as any other genocidal tyrant in world history.

[Leonardo17]

Here is a nice quote from Senator Bernies Sanders. Back in the days I had wished Al Gore had been elected instead of George W. Bush. The Republican base did not agree with me at that time either 







As we speak many Iranians are fleeing toward Turkey. Just like Iraq before the dictator Saddam came to power, most of them are people who love their country and want to live there as long as they are not being illegally detain by political Islamists or bombed by Jewish religious extremists.
 
While I have no choice but the joins the calls for the cessation of hostilities in order to spare civilians from both sides I must also stress that we should be pushing for a third way (the first being to let Iran do whatever it wants, the second being to attack Iran militarily).
 
First of all nations have a karma too. The IRI has been supporting political Islamists and several sectarian organizations in my country for years. The Shah Regime before 1979 was not a perfect regime either but the IRI is a regime without any values or sense of honor. These are people who distort everything in their own minds and feel entitled to do anything including the murder of their own people in the hundreds.
 
So as a person of faith I don’t feel alarmed when something hits such nations in some way. I am a part of those who believe that that’s just the way things are
 
/Still, most Iranians (the Iranian diaspora mainly) are talking of a third way. They don’t want to see their country turn into rubble. The dismantling of dictators by military means does not produce results in our time (Look at Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan). What they want is the international community not negotiating with the IRI anymore. They want to be heard as the true representatives of Iran. They want backing for their civil society. + More sanctions to hit the Regime (I’ve heard that Iranian Gas is still being sold to Europe via China. If more sanctions are being brought – that hit the regime, not the people of Iran – than there could be more results).
 
After hearing Bernie Sanders I have decided that Netanyahu is a very angry man. Still, removing the IRI threat without turning the country into Iraq or Syria (I mean the international community as a whole) that would be a sign that we are moving in the right direction (as a specie).
 
Besides: Trump isn’t supporting Vodimyr Zelensky because he doesn’t want to afford the costs. So how is he going to support Israel with 200 million dollars / day? (As a white supremacist of some sort)

[The Grand Nudger]

He was elected, just not installed. Yall Qaedas clerics on the bench saw to it. The political and the spiritual are not entirely and cannot be entirely divorced from each other. They struggle over shared content in normative ideation.

Nations do not have karma. The imperial powers would've been a smoldering shithole long ago if that were, in any sense, true. Nonsense about trump not supporting ukraine because of the cost. We make money out of the deals. He doesn;t support ukraine for the same reason he hasn't already bombed iran into the stone age. An affinity for dictatorships.

[Leonardo17]

Iran was such a big thing according to many intellectuals. Back in April 2024 (when Iran first hit Israel with its useless missiles and drones) people were saying that Iran was too strong, that the US and allies could not risk a war with Iran. I even saw articles placing the Iranian armed forces in the top-ten armed forces of the world.
 
From my own experience inside armed forces I know that the situation inside armed forces may not always be as good as they want to project to the rest of the world. Besides issues like technology, intelligence, the organization of the whole thing, preparation are very important. That’s how a country of 10 million is able to defy basically the whole of the middle-east (half a billion people) and be successful in that
 
Yesterday, I had no idea what was going to happen. But Trump did drop GBU-57 on Fordo (and he hit Natanz and Istafan as well).
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/know-us-strik...23458.html
 
The only thing I am terribly curious about is did he drop several GBU-57 on that site or did only one such bomb do the entire work
 
Anyway: The IRI says they had already removed all the centrifuges before the strike. They probably hid the centrifuges next to the remains of Israeli F-35’s they have downed but did not let anyone see or share the pictures on social media