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Is artificial selection considered "evolution"?
#41
RE: Is artificial selection considered "evolution"?
I think the notion that what we do is to be distinct from what nature does is a sad holdover from the biblical theology that postulate a supernatural which neither overlaps nor grades into the natural, and we are somehow more an echo of the supernatural than part of the natural.



(March 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Why not, are we not natural?

Some people are downright unnatural, Chuck.

No, min, theologians and Rick santorum, like dog shit, are also natural.


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#42
RE: Is artificial selection considered "evolution"?
It's a "sad holdover" from demonstrable differences in process and cause, as well as the effect and end product, but I'm sure your assessment of this is more accurate than my own. How people see these processes, or how they relate to them though, I'd agree with you on completely. Hell, some peoples ideas of what evolution or nature are a sad holdovers. Nature/evolution as block layer, decider, planner, designer, etc.
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#43
RE: Is artificial selection considered "evolution"?
(March 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I've always understood "evolution by natural selection" as being evolution through non-intervention. So "evolution by artificial selection" is still evolution; it just has a 'non-natural' guide.

Hmm... but evolution by natural selection rewards traits which give an organism an enhanced survival capability for a given environment. Evolution by human tinkering rewards traits that humans think are pleasing....even if you end up with a fucked-up dog who couldn't survive a week with some human caring for it.

Quote:No, min, theologians and Rick santorum, like dog shit, are also natural.

Theologians and Santorum are products of a system which selects for uselessness rather than usefulness.

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#44
RE: Is artificial selection considered "evolution"?
(March 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(March 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I've always understood "evolution by natural selection" as being evolution through non-intervention. So "evolution by artificial selection" is still evolution; it just has a 'non-natural' guide.

Hmm... but evolution by natural selection rewards traits which give an organism an enhanced survival capability for a given environment. Evolution by human tinkering rewards traits that humans think are pleasing....even if you end up with a fucked-up dog who couldn't survive a week with some human caring for it.

Quote:No, min, theologians and Rick santorum, like dog shit, are also natural.

Theologians and Santorum are products of a system which selects for uselessness rather than usefulness.

Well, whoever a system is fucked up by religion, it becomes usefulness to be useless.

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