Men and their deteriorating moral and family values.

[Anomalocaris]

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Do you agree?

No.

P S. Morality has a price. To increase ours will take wealth. Are our children worth it to us?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/june-carbo...22656.html

The price of stultifying moralization is far greater.

[Aegrus]

[chuckling]

Do I want my daughter to be like me?

Do you think the world could handle another me?

What I want for my daughter, if I had one, which I don't plan to, is what Hector said about his son - to paraphrase, that they will say she was greater than her mother. That she will DO better things, and not worry what others think about how she dresses or with whom or how often she decides to have sex. That she will feel comfortable in her own skin and develop her own style and feel herself beloved and beautiful. That other people's designations of "skanky" or "modest" have no bearing on her because she's too busy being strong and healthy and happy. That she realizes that being productive in the world is not constrained by other people's rules and regulations. That she will know that I will love her.

I hope to whatever powers there are or aren't that she "starts" her confidence "earlier" than I did, that she bulldozes past people like you and blazes a trail so bright it offends your eyes and blinds you. I want her smile to be brighter and her presence to be the "light in dark places." I want her to never suffer the feeling that she is somehow less than you because of your arbitrary and subjective opinion, but I hope I give her the compassion and patience to deal with people like you. None of those things are necessarily separate or impossible to attain whilst maintaining some subjective idea of virtue and modesty, or having fun.

Is it odd that I started clapping after I read this?

[Minimalist]

The middle class upholds values? Probably not Mehm. I understand you don't seem to give much consideration to the po' folks of the world, but that's the majority of the world, and traditional values ARE theirs. It isn't the middle or upper class clinging to "traditional values" in the US, brother.

I disagree. Usually the higher up the socio economic ladder one is, the higher the moral content. It is partly due to education and self-pride and opportunity I think.

Regards
DL

That's fucking bullshit. The rich are self-indulgent pricks. YOu have to stop falling for this "job creator" horseshit.

[Anomalocaris]

The middle class upholds values? Probably not Mehm. I understand you don't seem to give much consideration to the po' folks of the world, but that's the majority of the world, and traditional values ARE theirs. It isn't the middle or upper class clinging to "traditional values" in the US, brother.

I disagree. Usually the higher up the socio economic ladder one is, the higher the moral content. It is partly due to education and self-pride and opportunity I think.

Regards
DL

Given the idiocy that you spouted to start this thread, it is not surprising you would believe this crap too.

As it happens, controlled experiment is easily, and is actually, done on this very thing. It consist of jars of girls scout cookies intentionally set out in the open in a medical facility, with a note asking passersby to pay a fix amount into a box next to it for each cookie taken. No one ostensibly is watching over the literal cookie jar. But a hidden video camera then record who donates and who steals. The income level, presumably correlated to your social-economic ladder, of the donator and thieves are accessible through their medical records

You know what, The percentage who steal rather than donate increase almost proportionally with income. The lower one is on the social economic ladder, the more one is likely to pay for the cookies. The higher the income, the higher the propensity to steal the cookies.

In this case, education did nothing, while pride appeared to have caused them to be confident nothing bad will happen ( to them ) if they stole.

[Greatest I am]

[chuckling]

Do I want my daughter to be like me?

Do you think the world could handle another me?

What I want for my daughter, if I had one, which I don't plan to, is what Hector said about his son - to paraphrase, that they will say she was greater than her mother. That she will DO better things, and not worry what others think about how she dresses or with whom or how often she decides to have sex. That she will feel comfortable in her own skin and develop her own style and feel herself beloved and beautiful. That other people's designations of "skanky" or "modest" have no bearing on her because she's too busy being strong and healthy and happy. That she realizes that being productive in the world is not constrained by other people's rules and regulations. That she will know that I will love her.

I hope to whatever powers there are or aren't that she "starts" her confidence "earlier" than I did, that she bulldozes past people like you and blazes a trail so bright it offends your eyes and blinds you. I want her smile to be brighter and her presence to be the "light in dark places." I want her to never suffer the feeling that she is somehow less than you because of your arbitrary and subjective opinion, but I hope I give her the compassion and patience to deal with people like you. None of those things are necessarily separate or impossible to attain whilst maintaining some subjective idea of virtue and modesty, or having fun.

You have a delusion that many have. You and they want all that for your children while at the same time, not controlling your own passions and passing down such a debt burden onto the next generation that they will not be able to get themselves out of the hole we are putting them in.

They will shine all right but no one will notice because it is dark in the hole we are putting them in.

Keep your delusion as you spend their wealth.

P S. I do not mean you personally of course. It is just everyone else.

Regards
DL

[KichigaiNeko]

GIA....

You worry unnecessarily...your children will shine IN SPITE OF everything you do to help them. Such is the way of youth. They HAVE to be hurt (unmercifully) and as a parent it is like death of a million small cuts to watch but they WILL survive it and become the discerning individuals that you had always hoped they would be.

As for the OP... yes there are many males to whom the concept of commitment is an anathema to their very being but it is not the norm. Teach your children that life is a tow way street, what they give they get, and stop stressing... I have enough to worry about with my own children (including Vae and Summer) without having to worry about yours as well

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Oh ...and YES Summer I would be VERY proud to have a daughter like you.... I would then have a matched set !

[thesummerqueen]

It is people like you who pass on a debt of guilt, GIA.

[LastPoet]

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Men and their deteriorating moral and family values.

As members of Western democratic nation, we have witnessed a marked deterioration in morality and family values.

Children start at an early age to sample the pleasures life offers them in the world of drugs, sex, autonomy and abuse of the safety nets that we as parents have put in place for them.

They do these things because they see us, their parents, doing the same thing. We are reaping what we are sowing. It is impossible to keep our abusive adult activities from passing down to our children. They know all our little secrets and tricks and will continue to emulate us.

Over time, looking at parents and our interaction with our children; especially today; the internet and other technologies have drastically reduced the parent child interaction. It is obvious to anyone with good judgement; collectively our morals and ethics have declined along with our family values.

Proof of this lies in how we allow our children to dress and act.

We are basically allowing our children, male and female, to look and act like skanks and whores.

We are allowing or male children to run amuck and act like irresponsible bull studs with no responsibility for their illegitimate children. We men also facilitate the rampant drug us, both legal and illegal.

Both men and women are to blame. Men, as the institutionally sanctioned heads of the family; must carry more blame. The world is not witnessing men stepping up to this responsibility. You, as a man are not walking your talk.

As men, if we are to call ourselves true men, should consider doing so. Perhaps we can stop acting like spoiled children ourselves and start giving our children a good example.

Women will also have to stop looking like and teaching their daughters to look like skanks and whores. We must stop teaching our children to idolize certain questionable entertainers who will do nothing but ensure a next generation of skanks and whores.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

P S. Morality has a price. To increase ours will take wealth. Are our children worth it to us?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/june-carbo...22656.html

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Let me think about it..... DONE.

Congratulations! You have just won:

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The Near-Sighted Kamikaze Pilot Award

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Its all that's worth saying at that

[Greatest I am]

GIA....

You worry unnecessarily...your children will shine IN SPITE OF everything you do to help them. Such is the way of youth. They HAVE to be hurt (unmercifully) and as a parent it is like death of a million small cuts to watch but they WILL survive it and become the discerning individuals that you had always hoped they would be.

As for the OP... yes there are many males to whom the concept of commitment is an anathema to their very being but it is not the norm. Teach your children that life is a tow way street, what they give they get,

Really?

Did you parents pass on a huge debt to you?

Do you know of any other time in history where parents cared so little for their children and morality and knowingly continued to drive their national debts so high that the upcoming generations knew full well that they would never be able to pay off their parents debts; thanks to the fact that their parents did not control their varied passions and self-centeredness?

Not caring enough about our children and not controlling our various passions is certainly giving our children a good example. Not.

We are destroying the very environment that they will need to live in as they pay for our abuses. Shame on us.

All this goes against the old moral adage of leaving thinks equal or better than what we found.

Regards
DL

[KichigaiNeko]

GIA....

You worry unnecessarily...your children will shine IN SPITE OF everything you do to help them. Such is the way of youth. They HAVE to be hurt (unmercifully) and as a parent it is like death of a million small cuts to watch but they WILL survive it and become the discerning individuals that you had always hoped they would be.

As for the OP... yes there are many males to whom the concept of commitment is an anathema to their very being but it is not the norm. Teach your children that life is a tow way street, what they give they get,

Really?

Did you parents pass on a huge debt to you?

Yes

Do you know of any other time in history where parents cared so little for their children and morality and knowingly continued to drive their national debts so high that the upcoming generations knew full well that they would never be able to pay off their parents debts; thanks to the fact that their parents did not control their varied passions and self-centeredness?

Yes

Not caring enough about our children and not controlling our various passions is certainly giving our children a good example. Not.

Control?? Look at you man...you have no control over yourself??

We are destroying the very environment that they will need to live in as they pay for our abuses. Shame on us.

Yep all because the little fuckers want to live eh??? Why should we as parents feel guilty because the kids want iPhones and international travel and a food supply that doesn't end...no GIA I will not feel any shame at all. I have taught my children to be discerning in all aspects of their lives and be nobodies fool.

All this goes against the old moral adage of leaving thinks equal or better than what we found.

Regards
DL

You can NOT leave anything or do more than try to make the world a little better than you found it... beyond that you are powerless.... stop trying to think you can change the world GIA ... you can't and it won't happen. The abuse of children goes all the way back to the stone age ...you seem to have a very short memory.

WTF has gotten you so upset??