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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 4:57 pm
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(April 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Cinjin Wrote: That is your own opinion. Belief/faith are not required for someone to be my friend, and you overstep your own Christian views when you say that the love offered should be the same love given. I know of no Christian who would walk down that road with you ... implying that you can love god equally to the way that he loves you. I did not imply anything other than what was directly stated
I said that the what friends are looking for is Philia what is sought with Philia is an equal sharing of Love.
God seeks Agape not Philia.
What I was demonstrating is the earnest effort not the equality of God and man. (Which was the reason I modeled my analogy in a different aspects of love so as not to confuse the two nor what is being explained)
Quote:Suddenly you now you have given yourself equal footing with your all powerful god to help you make your point. Also you fail miserably comparing belief in the power of one's love to belief in one's existence. It's a false dichotomy ... the two are not remotely the same no matter how much you try to make the case.
I could identify several other fallacies here but choose not to. I am hoping this was a simple misunderstanding.
Quote:The rich man is also not looking for humility the way your god is, he is looking for genuine love and acceptance.
Drich Wrote:Which is the same thing God is looking for when you break down the principles to their core values.
Quote:Is this not back peddling?? You JUST said that your god is looking for humility. YOUR words. Scroll back, I'm quoting your response here. I have never sought out humility from a friend. That's absurd.
Maybe you should look at the definition of the word.
not proud or arrogant; modest, courteously respectful your right these are terrible qualities to have in a close friend, and I do not know why anyone would look for these qualities in a person they wish to befriend.
Quote:Exactly my point ... and here we see that you have reversed positions once again and we are back to god commanding humility ... not an equal friend and companion. You're all over the map here. We should clarify our positions before we progress:
My position: The rich man is NOT looking for humility, he's looking for real love and affection regardless of his money/power. Your god on the other hand, needs people to first believe in his very existence, NOT, as you said, in his true and devout friendship. I stand by the fact that your analogy is flawed from the start due to proof of existence. I mentioned the false dichotomy above.
Your position: Belief and love go hand in hand and one must submit himself as humble to somehow be on an equal playing field concerning the love of god.
You are all over the map
First one must believe, it doesn't take much just the faith of a mustard seed will do. In you are faithful to this tiny faith and sow it in a belief of God He will show himself to you in a profound way in your life. From there you will have other opportunities to be faithful to other gifts he will give to you, and you remain faithful more will be given, and eventually you will learn to Love God with all of your being.
The equal playing field comes in that everyone born into this life has no direct or intrinsic knowledge of God outside of the mustard seed of faith we have all been given. we all have an equal opportunity to sow the seed in the name of God or we can discard the seed for whatever we wish to live our lives for.
Quote:The whole point of our little debate here is that you claim god MUST have belief and humility before he can love you and you can love him.
Indeed
Quote:This is your own opinion, and you are welcome to it, but trying to sell it is pointless ... as it is a ridiculous notion.
As you understand it I agree.
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Alrighty then. /eyeroll
No surprise we won't be coming to a meeting of the minds any time soon. We're getting into greasy sophistry and I really despise that, so I will digress - giving you the last punch.
You have every right to be completely wrong.
That being said, thank you for not preaching at all of us during out little debate.
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm
(April 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (April 10, 2012 at 5:08 am)Kratos Wrote: (April 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Quote:So Christianity was devised
Are you implying that Christianity was a pragmatic ideology designed by Jews to spread their ideology?
Yes.
The Jews are very intelligent.
They don't need the Bible now they have the Media.
I'm asking this because Judaism isn't really the religion that likes to be spread. It's a fundamentally tribal religion, inextricable from questions of ancestry, and Jews just don't like to convert people, unless they're really dedicated to it. If memory serves, you have to be turned down three times before you're allowed to convert.
Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else. Jews have the highest IQ on average. This eliteism has it's downside, genetic degradation and disease. Have you noticed how many wear glasses, look awful and have a bad personality?
Very hawkish and paranoid, you can't even go near them they will say "get away unclean". Very sad.
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 9:10 pm
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Well said Poesef. Ironically, tuesday is trash day here in my neighborhood as well.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 9:12 pm
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(April 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Kratos Wrote: Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else. Jews have the highest IQ on average. This eliteism has it's downside, genetic degradation and disease. Have you noticed how many wear glasses, look awful and have a bad personality?
Very hawkish and paranoid, you can't even go near them they will say "get away unclean". Very sad.
This is bigoted and ridiculous. I know a few Jewish people, and I can attest that they don't care at all about maintaining some form of racial purity. They're also generally friendly people, and have no more health issues than average. Your unsound bigotry is baseless and repulsive.
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm
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Quote:Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else
This HAS to be a Poe,surely? The guy couldn't possibly be that ignorant and bigoted. (??)
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 11:12 pm
(April 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Kratos Wrote: (April 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (April 10, 2012 at 5:08 am)Kratos Wrote: (April 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Quote:So Christianity was devised
Are you implying that Christianity was a pragmatic ideology designed by Jews to spread their ideology?
Yes.
The Jews are very intelligent.
They don't need the Bible now they have the Media.
I'm asking this because Judaism isn't really the religion that likes to be spread. It's a fundamentally tribal religion, inextricable from questions of ancestry, and Jews just don't like to convert people, unless they're really dedicated to it. If memory serves, you have to be turned down three times before you're allowed to convert.
Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else. Jews have the highest IQ on average. This eliteism has it's downside, genetic degradation and disease. Have you noticed how many wear glasses, look awful and have a bad personality?
Very hawkish and paranoid, you can't even go near them they will say "get away unclean". Very sad.
Wow what page of mein kampf did that come from?
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Pot, meet kettle.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 11, 2012 at 5:19 am
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(April 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Kratos Wrote:
Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else. Jews have the highest IQ on average. This eliteism has it's downside, genetic degradation and disease. Have you noticed how many wear glasses, look awful and have a bad personality?
Very hawkish and paranoid, you can't even go near them they will say "get away unclean". Very sad.
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RE: So lemme get this straight
April 11, 2012 at 7:54 am
Quote:Yes the Jews keep to themselves and are racists and racial purists. They want to stay intelligent so they don't want to mix with less intelligent races eg everyone else. Jews have the highest IQ on average. This eliteism has it's downside, genetic degradation and disease. Have you noticed how many wear glasses, look awful and have a bad personality?
Very hawkish and paranoid, you can't even go near them they will say "get away unclean". Very sad.
I see nothing un-Christian at all with Kratos' ideas:
Ignatius of Loyola
He also lived a holy life, and healed every kind of sickness and disease among the people, and wrought signs and wonders for the benefit of men; and to those who had fallen into the error of polytheism He made known the one and only true God, His Father, and underwent the passion, and endured the cross at the hands of the Christ-killing Jews, under Pontius Pilate the governor and Herod the king.
The Apostlic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. Justin Martyr (trans. Philip Schaff) Ignatius Epistle to the Ephesians. Chapter 11. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. Pg. 107.
Commodianus
What! art thou half a Jew? wilt thou be half profane? Whence thou shalt not when dead escape the judgment of Christ. Thou thyself blindly wanderest, and foolishly goest in among the blind. And thus the blind leadeth the blind into the ditch…The Almighty would not have them understand their King. Why such a wickedness? He Himself took refuge from those bloody men.
Philip Schaff. Ante-Nicene Fathers. Vol. 4: Fathers of the Third Century: Tertullian, Part Fourth; Minucius Felix; Commodian; Origen, Parts First and Second; The Instructions of Commodianus. Christian Classics Ethereal Library. (1885). Pg. 384
John Chrysostom
And the Jews are more savage than any highwaymen; they do greater harm to those who have fallen among them. They did not strip off their victim's clothes nor inflict wounds on his body as did those robbers on the road to Jericho. The Jews have mortally hurt their victim's soul, inflicted on it ten thousand wounds, and left it lying in the pit of ungodliness.
John Chrysostom. Homily 8:3.10: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/ch...omily8.asp
Let's finish with some Martin Luther and Hitler:
Martin Luther
…the Jews are a base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time..."[w]e are at fault in not slaying them.
Luther, Martin. On the Jews and Their Lies, Luthers Werke. 47:268-271; Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther's Works. Philadelphia: Fortress Press. (1971).
Hitler
The Jew himself is the best example of the kind of product which this religious training (economic as opposed to moral concerns) evolves. His life is of this world only and his mentality is as foreign to the true spirit of Christianity as his character was foreign to the great Founder of this new creed two thousand years ago. And the Founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of His estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews…
Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. Hurst and Blackett Ltd. (1939). Pg. 240.
Actually, aside from the anti-Semitic rhetoric spewed from the pen of the 3 synoptic Gospel authors, whoever they might have been, "John" was possibly the worst anti-Semite. Thousands and even millions of Jewish families torn apart, slaughtered, disenfranchised...Oh well, they did kill batman, so fair is fair!
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