God's Most Appalling Act

[Creed of Heresy]

Fucking shit I look away from this thread for a couple hours and it adds seven pages.

Sarah, humanity has long expressed its wish to believe that its limited lifespan is actually infinite. The human race is scared of the dark, it always has been, in all forms. The literal, figurative, and metaphorical. The idea of the loss of our senses or conscious selves while still living [being a vegetable, or blind, or deaf, or numb]...the loss of the light that allows us to see [the darkness itself] which makes us feel vulnerable and preyed upon. The eternity of what we perceive as a void, though there will be no perception and therefore no true loss of anything further [death]. We've always wanted to believe that there's a point to us. We want to believe we'll exist in eternity. We are but brief flashes in the cosmic scheme of things. We come, we exist, we experience, and then it all ends.

The irony of it all is that if humanity had spent less time chanting mantras to convince itself and more time exploring the world with free inquiry, science may have been at the point where it could create a form of "conscious immortality." Without the shepherds leading the blind, bleating flocks to go in the directions the individuals with power wanted us to go, we may well have gotten to the point where someone's conscious mind could be uploaded into a computer storage system of some kind...or their body could have been replaced with a prosthetic one that functions like a natural one, but free of disease and decay. 1000 years of scientific repression at the hands of the religious. And to this day the religious continue to stifle and struggle against scientific inquiry and pursuit.

You believe, you say...and in so doing you join hands with the rest who have, are, and will continue to slow the possibility of living immortality. Feel proud; you're working against your own desires.

[Reforged]

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I believe in God, but what would be the meaning and reason for us being here, why are we here.?????? what would be the purpose if there is no meaning.outcome, no afterlife. whats the difference if an atheist dont believe its there loss..., not the believers as we have nothing to lose.


Sarah[/b]

I believe in God, but what would be the meaning and reason for us being here, why are we here?

Answer: I don't know, but I mostly just try to do things that make me happy

What would be the purpose if there is no meaning, outcome, no afterlife?

Answer: I don't know, but I like what I am experiencing now, for the most part, so I leave the unanswerable questions as unanswerable.

Maybe they'll be answered in the fullness of time?


wow, that seems a bit vain and shallow and I say that kindly. However I dont know its really unacceptable dont you think so..? Its not very valid when science tells us they dont understand or know.

It kinda debunks and refutes that big bang in the sky that come from NO where.

Sarah[b]

Oh *wow* Sarah. Thats so enlightening. So because Science doesn't automatically claim to have all the answers then the answers they do find through hard evidence and fact are invalid...
This must mean Bill O'Reilly is a *genius*, he never says he doesn't know and he never has hard fact or evidence! Yes! I can see why the Bible is plausible now!

Thank you so much! I'll start stoning unruly children immediately! :-)

[LiberalHearted]

I believe in God, but what would be the meaning and reason for us being here, why are we here.?????? what would be the purpose if there is no meaning.outcome, no afterlife. whats the difference if an atheist dont believe its there loss..., not the believers as we have nothing to lose.

Sarah[/b]

We are here discussing the topic which was lost in many posts

I'm an atheist and have from cover to cover read the bible, many atheists have done the same. Don't ask "why if you don't believe" we all have a different set of reasons.

The topic: Gods Most Appalling Act

Has been lost to accusations such as the one you've just gave.

I answered the why with ..... the topic of the thread.

Take it like Who read It by Stephen King and what was the most frightening part?

Anne Rice in Memnock the Devil or Tale of the Body Snatchers, or Ramses the Damned - which was 'sexy to you' which appalling?

If you are a believer than we hope you have read the bible, and might contribute what you think is the more appalling act it this book.


Welcome by the way, and please if you want to know some things make a thread for it or PM someone.

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It kinda debunks and refutes that big bang in the sky that come from NO where.

Clueless

Yep

http://tv.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/arts/te...wanted=all

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/worldbalance/numb-nf.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/the...thing.html

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_...O2iwfzRJkC

In the wrong place sorry folks, but Genesis didn't read like this!!

That too is appalling should one stretch the imagination.

[Cinjin]

Yes, we atheists are insulting, heinous devils whom even god allows to live, much to your obvious disgust. Yet who was it who said it's acceptable to kill your children..?

Depends on the law of the land. Laws are the only things that matter, morals and ethical right and wrongs are subjective and are in a state of flux. What is lawful today may be unlawful tomorrow. Universal truth "might makes right". So simple, if a ruler makes a law that allows fathers to kill their children then they may.
Personally I am a softy and do not get any pleasure out of killing anything,

Once again you missed his whole point. Stimbo did not say that you liked killing people. Whether you like it or not is inconsequential. Stimbo made the OBVIOUS statement that it is you and your kind that find killing your children acceptable ... not the atheists. Like it, love it, hate it ... it doesn't matter, you condone it and have made it very clear that it is religious halfwits like you that condone blood sacrifice.

That law of the land bull shit that you mentioned above is a copout. Pay attention! He never said you love anything, merely that it is not us non-believers condoning violence against innocent children.

I support you Christian ....

Hey Christian (the actual member, not the generic term), congratulations on having the backing of Kratos. That fact alone should make you have serious reservations about your philosophies and ideals. I would be seriously reconsidering my position if a fool like this supported anything I had to say.

[Cyberman]

Yes, we atheists are insulting, heinous devils whom even god allows to live, much to your obvious disgust. Yet who was it who said it's acceptable to kill your children..?

Depends on the law of the land. Laws are the only things that matter, morals and ethical right and wrongs are subjective and are in a state of flux. What is lawful today may be unlawful tomorrow. Universal truth "might makes right". So simple, if a ruler makes a law that allows fathers to kill their children then they may.
Personally I am a softy and do not get any pleasure out of killing anything,

Once again you missed his whole point. Stimbo did not say that you liked killing people. Whether you like it or not is inconsequential. Stimbo made the OBVIOUS statement that it is you and your kind that find killing your children acceptable ... not the atheists. Like it, love it, hate it ... it doesn't matter, you condone it and have made it very clear that it is religious halfwits like you that condone blood sacrifice.

That law of the land bull shit that you mentioned above is a copout. Pay attention! He never said you love anything, merely that it is not us non-believers condoning violence against innocent children.

Wow, I can't believe I missed that - thanks for covering my back. Indeed, that is exactly what I was saying.

[Rhizomorph13]

Hmm, I'm surprised that Sarah hasn't answered her own questions yet. I would have expected at least a response to what I said to her.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Telling people what they can and cannot do is being a commie as far as I'm concerned.

So, are you saying that telling someone that they can't murder someone else is wrong?

No, I will be clear. A father can kill his own offspring. Not people in general. A man's home is his castle, that mentality has been going on for thousands of years. There is nothing psychotic about Patria Potestas.
You just have a socialist mindset that's all. You have been brainwashed by socialists, feminists etc. If you had been brainwashed by ancient Romans you would think Patria Potestas as totally normal. The majority of humans are very weak minded that's why they are so easily brainwashed into each culture. The human is a social animal so going with the flow and being brainwashed (educated) helps you to fit into your "society". I am like Morpheus here offering you the wake up pill. You don't have to swallow it. Here is the answer to break the brainwashing it's so simple, just ask WHY? to everything and your mind will be free.

How is it an *act* if you think it's not real anyways?
It's probably nothing more than a distasteful story for you probably, and I've heard of more distasteful stories.

[sarah888]

wow, that seems a bit vain and shallow and I say that kindly. However I dont know its really unacceptable dont you think so..? Its not very valid when science tells us they dont understand or know.

I dont know may be acceptable, it also may represent an unacceptable admission of at least potential error.

Another possible reason is that answering the question might lead one to the realization that their position isn’t valid, but that position plays an important role in their self-image.


ARE THERE ANY NICE MORAL ATHEIST WITH RESPONSES ON THESE FORUMS.? EVERYONE SEEMS A BIT ANGRY AND RUDE, MABEY ITS JUST THE AGE FACTOR SHINING THROUGH.

Sarah

[Rhizomorph13]

Sarah,

It is hard to tell if there is an answer in the post above, can you give me your answers to this question:

Why are we here?

I'm not angry at all, I really do want to know what your answer is.

Thank you,
Rhizo

[LiberalHearted]

I believe in God, but what would be the meaning and reason for us being here, why are we here?

That is ok for you, no dispute, accept my position too. My position is there is no reason logically to believe in any god.

Answer: I don't know, but I mostly just try to do things that make me happy

Is that the answer to what is God's Most Appalling Act?

Given, I've read the bible and have found many and including a bunch of contradictions. Hence the how is it possible to believe in something with so many questions that have no answers that make sense - to believe. Evasiveness for one happens to be an answer.

What would be the purpose if there is no meaning, outcome, no afterlife?

Life itself, I may be a sick (physically) woman, but I wonder over my cats. Laugh, and enjoy the teens in my area. Talk to strangers and enjoy the conversations. Like my access a ride drivers mostly, enjoy their company. There are movies I must see. Music I can tune into to bring my disposition up. I have friends that lasted with me over 40 years. I can go on and on.