(April 15, 2012 at 4:55 am)Faith No More Wrote:

Kratos Wrote:Telling people what they can and cannot do is being a commie as far as I'm concerned.

So, are you saying that telling someone that they can't murder someone else is wrong?

(April 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Kratos Wrote: I am like Morpheus here offering you the wake up pill. You don't have to swallow it. Here is the answer to break the brainwashing it's so simple, just ask WHY? to everything and your mind will be free.

(April 15, 2012 at 8:58 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I agree. Sorry, Morpheus, it's not a wake up pill you need to be concerned with.

(April 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Kratos Wrote: No, I will be clear. A father can kill his own offspring. Not people in general. A man's home is his castle, that mentality has been going on for thousands of years. There is nothing psychotic about Patria Potestas.
You just have a socialist mindset that's all. You have been brainwashed by socialists, feminists etc. If you had been brainwashed by ancient Romans you would think Patria Potestas as totally normal. The majority of humans are very weak minded that's why they are so easily brainwashed into each culture. The human is a social animal so going with the flow and being brainwashed (educated) helps you to fit into your "society". I am like Morpheus here offering you the wake up pill. You don't have to swallow it. Here is the answer to break the brainwashing it's so simple, just ask WHY? to everything and your mind will be free.

(April 14, 2012 at 5:10 am)Kratos Wrote: A father had the right to sacrifice his children to God if he wanted. This is a lot older than Abraham, pagans did this as well. I can't see any problem. This is what sacrifice is all about. I suppose it is not politically correct now. The state rules the family not the father. The state makes abortion ok instead.

(April 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Christian Wrote:

(April 15, 2012 at 2:36 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Tell me Christian - how do you feel about this psychotic statement made by Kratos?

I won't do it even if God was standing in front of me demanding me to do it. I will go to hell either way (as A-theists would interpret it) - by listening to God, I committed a murder and by not listening to God, I committed a blasphemy. But tell you what, the blasphemy will be lesser of the two "evils", as you (A-theists) would put it. I believe my God will not condemn me to Hell for blasphemy. It would be more of a test. If I can sacrifice my own blood and flesh by listening to someone else (even if He is the creator of the universe), I don't deserve Heaven anyway.

(April 15, 2012 at 7:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Ok, let's cut the crap right here. The concept of sacrifice entails wilfully giving up something of personal value; the greater the value, the greater the sacrifice, with the ultimate sacrifice being that of one's own life. All this you have the right to do if that is your wish. You absolutely do not have the right to involve another person in the act. You certainly do not have the right to demand it of others against their will. Any god that is held as the standard of morality, whether such a being exists or not, ought to know this. That anyone could look at this story (and more damning ones such as that of Jephthah in Judges 11:29-39) and not see any problem tells me more about that person than they may have intended; not to say more than I wished to know.

In your trying to defend the actions of these characters by pointing to others who behave the same, I'm mindful of Col Ingersoll's wise counsel: "They knew no better, but I do not propose to follow the example of a barbarian because he was honestly a barbarian."

Finally, re: abortion. Let's say for the sake of discussion that abortion equals murder. Have you any idea how many foetuses abort spontaneously without any human or 'state' intervention? That's without even mentioning the many millions of fertilised ova that never implant and get flushed away without the woman ever being aware of it. What's all that about? Embryonic suicide?