Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true

[Norfolk And Chance]

We don't need to present any evidence as we are not making any claims.

And that, folks, should have been the end of the thread.

[Nine]

I'd like to say that you can believe whatever you want. But if you intend to enforce your beliefs on society then you should provide evidence of your claim or fuck off.

[Watchman]

Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true

that means : present a case which explains why you think the best explanation for our existence requires only naturalism .

No bible bashing etc...... which would be a negative argument.

Hi Jireh….

Must confess I’m surprised you’re still using that name….Isn’t it time you changed to one of your other “nom de guer’s”
If its ok with you I’ll stick to using your real name ….Angelo.
So how are things going ?
You still dabbling with horn speakers ?
How’ s the Real-Estate business going.?

But ,wait , how rude of me….

It looks like many of the posters here don’t yet know who/what you are.(I suspect they may be guessing by now)
That’s hardly sporting old man.
Let me just level the playing field….allow me to introduce you…

Ladies and gentlemen ,for those who have not yet had the pleasure (and I use the word pleasure quite incorrectly) your dealing with …Angelo

Angelo is a serial “Troll”, he has been doing it for years over multiple sites some many times. Always he posts from his selection of collected idiocies , never does he actually post anything original and seldom does he enter into a real debate. Its all just “Copy & Paste.”

Angelo posts under many names ,I list some below :angelosergip , Jireh ,Javan ,godlovesyou , elshaddai888 and many more.

This is Angelo’s welcome message and self introduction from his “library ?” forum…
His history may go some way to explaining his odd use of grammar in the English language. (although I have to admit his English is better than my own Portugese ,Italian or German ,all of which he is impressively fluent in.)

http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t29-who-...obbies-etc

my name is Angelo. I am swiss/italian. I was raised catholic, but when i was 18 years old, i converted myself, and since then, i am a evangelic, born again christian. I live in brazil, since 1996. I am member of Igreja Quadrangular church, Aracaju, north east of brazil, where i live with my wife Leila. I am a real estate broker.The intend of this forum, is to dispose a tool, to organize the knowledge of the christian faith, related to science. Beside this, i like highest-end Audio, and cultivate the hobby of manufacture and selling of horn-loudspeakers for domestic use.

ElShamah888 ( El Shamah = God is present , 888 = Jesus , Jesus is present )

welcome, and have fun. Angelo

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If you have some spare time ,check out the list of sites he has trolled in the past ,up until 2010 he used to “chalk them up on his head board” rather like a teenage boy .

http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/f12-foru...-id-te-etc

Unfortunately many of the sites no longer exist so some really funny exchanges are now lost ,like the German Skinheads responses and there was a memorable response from a Masonic site ,they shut him down in only 2 pages.


Here he posts as TSID8888
http://www.achristianandanatheist.com/ph...hp?f=9&...

Here as DIBRI501
http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/40835-...xplain-our...

Here as ACHSAH
http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewto...t=6327&...

and here in 2010 as Angelo
http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics...m-a-theist?...

And then again as Angelo on Boxing Day 2011
http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics...1#comments


I post this purely for information ,what you choose to do with Angelo is the concern of the forum as a whole , but if you want to see what other Atheist / Skeptical websites did check out the links. Also you will probably find the out come of this particular argument on them too …like I say…. Originality isn’t Angelo’s forte.

[Welsh cake]

what objective responsability do you have, if God does not exist?

There's no such thing as "objective responsibility".

If God does not exist, good and evyl cannot exist.

Just in what context are you using the labels good and evil? In The Care Bears context?

Everything is relative

Meaning?

and you set your morals, according to your preferences.

I can't argue with you there.

There is nobody that can say, you are wrong and right.

?

If Hitler thought, he was right in doing, what he did, who can tell him, that is not true, he was wrong?

Great Britain declaring war?

God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.

1. What does supreme being mean? What is a supreme being and what is not a supreme being?
2. How can a mind exist and function without a body?
3. If he is perfect then why did he make reality? A perfect god is whole, complete and content. It has no want or need for anything or anyone, especially a dysfunctional creation.
4. How do you know its limitless in authority (power)? You've checked for yourself or something?
5. Non-material is an adjective for "unreal", which is essentially non-existent. The English language is not a toy. Please use words carefully.
6. How do you know its unimaginably powerful?
7. Personal? Did God ever send you a friendly letter? A postcode? An email? Nope?

So essentially the atheist is saying he wants people to provide him with evidence but it doesn't matter what evidence they provide because he will dismiss it automatically - an action consistent with his belief that "there has never been a shred of evidence" for God's existence.

Because (brace yourself) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To date, you theists still haven't provided any good valid evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence. Just crappy personal testimony and analogy. Very disappointing.

The dogma of Evolution is taken on 100% faith as follows

Do fuck off back to your cave. Evolution is scientific fact. It has nothing to do with faith.

A Faith Statement might be as follows:

I have complete, non-negotiable FAITH in the following tenets:

Fascinating...


Now, what does any of this have anything to do with atheism?

[Paul the Human]

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what objective responsability do you have, if God does not exist?

There's no such thing as "objective responsibility".

If God does not exist, good and evyl cannot exist.

Just in what context are you using the labels good and evil? In The Care Bears context?

Everything is relative

Meaning?

and you set your morals, according to your preferences.

I can't argue with you there.

There is nobody that can say, you are wrong and right.

?

If Hitler thought, he was right in doing, what he did, who can tell him, that is not true, he was wrong?

Great Britain declaring war?

God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.

1. What does supreme being mean? What is a supreme being and what is not a supreme being?
2. How can a mind exist and function without a body?
3. If he is perfect then why did he make reality? A perfect god is whole, complete and content. It has no want or need for anything or anyone, especially a dysfunctional creation.
4. How do you know its limitless in authority (power)? You've checked for yourself or something?
5. Non-material is an adjective for "unreal", which is essentially non-existent. The English language is not a toy. Please use words carefully.
6. How do you know its unimaginably powerful?
7. Personal? Did God ever send you a friendly letter? A postcode? An email? Nope?

So essentially the atheist is saying he wants people to provide him with evidence but it doesn't matter what evidence they provide because he will dismiss it automatically - an action consistent with his belief. "there has never been a shred of evidence" for God's existence.

Because (brace yourself) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To date, you theists still haven't provided any good valid evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence. Just crappy personal testimony and analogy. Very disappointing.

The dogma of Evolution is taken on 100% faith as follows

Do fuck off back to your cave. Evolution is scientific fact. It has nothing to do with faith.

A Faith Statement might be as follows:

I have complete, non-negotiable FAITH in the following tenets:

Fascinating...


Now, what does any of this have anything to do with atheism?

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Welsh Cake wins.

[Jireh]

I'm going to use a very well-used, very relevant quote here because I get the impression you're one of those kinds of people who you could show them absolute evidence disproving god and they still wouldn't believe a thing you said: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

What is your standard of extraordinary ?

radio waves, electromagnetism, and light leave no " hard evidence ", but they exist..........

YOU claim god is real. Well, where is YOUR evidence? Set it up and I'll knock it down and when I do it over and over and over again maybe you'll see why we "think atheism is true [a statement which makes no fucking sense, by the way, and implies an extremely dimwitted, ignorant, and absolute lack of knowledge of atheism]."

have you read what this thread is about ? i know the route you wish is easy and confortable for you, thats why you suggest it. But to make a case for strong atheism and naturalism, you need to be able to present positive reasons, that stand of its own.

[Minimalist]

We do not need to make a "case for atheism." The fact that you have no evidence for your fucking fairy tales is sufficient for us to conclude that all gods - across all of time - have been the figments of human imagination used by powerful elites to control fucking morons.


Like you.

[Jireh]

Can you provide some sort of reason why any atheist should find reason to stop and think longer about your god than about invisible unicorns?

because we do exist, and that demands for a explanation. how about you answer the question of this thread ?

why do you believe naturalism is true ?

[Tiberius]

radio waves, electromagnetism, and light leave no " hard evidence ", but they exist..........

Seriously?

[Jireh]

We do not need to make a "case for atheism."

because strong atheists do believe, most probably no God(s) exist. Therefore they need to provide positive evidence to back up their claim.

Have any ?