atheists and "conspiracy" theories

[unbelievingatheist]

Napoleon, I hope your attitude so far doesnt represent most here. Please don't judge me without having a clue who I am, or what I'm about.

If there are others on this forum who can attest to the fact that this heavy handedness is not protocol, please speak up.

[Shell B]

Hmmm, we don't consider anyone's personal behavior protocol. That term connotes official capacity or routine. We are a forum of individuals. You will have some that are discouraging, some that encouraging and some that are ambivalent. We will take care of rule breakers, but it is up to you to deal with your interactions how you see fit.

ETA: Napo is correct, though. You carry the burden of proof. You have to provide the evidence or risk being dismissed as half-assed.

[Napoléon]

Napoleon, I hope your attitude so far doesnt represent most here. Please don't judge me without having a clue who I am, or what I'm about.

Oh lah dee dah check this one out.

I'll judge you based on what you post. So far I've given you a response which is in my opinion very fair considering how anal you are.

If there are others on this forum who can attest to the fact that this heavy handedness is not protocol, please speak up.

I'm sure they'll tell you the same as me. If you think a few swear words are heavy handed why don't you go back to your play pen and let the adults in the real world discuss such matters.

[Cyberman]

Possibly violently.

Buzz Aldrin sure did!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

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Just in case anyone might be tempted to use this video to build a case for Aldrin reacting violently due to feelings of guilt over faked landings or anything, a little context may be in order. The main thing to realise is that Bart Sibrel, the Nashville taxi driver and terminal troll on the receiving end of the smack in the mouth, is an obnoxious little shit who has been hounding the Apollo astronauts for many, many years. Unimaginable as it seems for a conspiracy nut, Sibrel's tactics rely principally on jamming a bible into the astronaut's face and accusing him repeatedly of a shabby coverup, all in public, until he gets a reaction for his tatty little DVD documentaries. What he tells his fans (both of them) is that he's trying to get the Astronauts to swear on the bible that they did go to the Moon; as if that makes some sort of difference. I suppose the book bursts into flame and a pair of howling shadowy demons drag the poor spaceman down to Hell à la "Ghost" if it detects so much as a hint of a fib.

Among Sibrel's greatest hits, he has accosted Apollo 11's Michael Collins at a supermarket; was told to "Get the fuck out of my house!" by 12's Alan Bean after weaselling his way into Bean's home under the false pretence of a genuine interview; tried the same trick on 14's LM pilot Ed Mitchell before being literally kicked out the door. Plus of course the well-deserved total eclipse he got from Buzz Aldrin, delivered after Sibrel had been following him about all day, getting in his face and refusing to listen to his initially polite requests to leave him and his granddaughter alone.

Just about all the Apollo astronauts, including Neil Armstrong and especially Aldrin, do consent to give interviews, but understandably they refuse even to talk to conspiracy idiots like Sibrel.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

I haven't been really following this thread that much, but for the people here who are arguing for conspiracy theories, just make sure you aren't falling into this fallacy: http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index...acy-theory

[Creed of Heresy]

Like a boss, Napo. Like usual.

Conspiracy theories are not worth the word "theory" because they never have any evidence. I find conspiracy theory to be the new-age religion; come up with a wild conjecture, find something with gaps in the explanation, and fill those gaps in with whatever you want. Wild imaginations and speculation, and they never come up with anything. Approaching 11 years and NOBODY has found ANY evidence other than conjecture and posturing that would suggest that 9/11 was an inside job? ELEVEN FUCKING YEARS, PEOPLE, if you want to know why no evidence has been found, it's just like if you ask "why is there no evidence of god?" BECAUSE HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST, dammit! I can't believe there are atheists on this forum who will say "well I don't believe in god because there is no evidence...BUT I TOTALLY BUY THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKED AND THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, even though there is no evidence!" Why don't you guys just go and just reconvert back to whatever fictional neolithic delusions you probably originally believed in and just get it over with, we all know that's the route you're taking.

[Bgood]

There is overwhelming physical evidence that 911 and Great Britain's 7-7 were both false flag operations. The Burning of the Reichstag in 1933 is a historical fact of Hitler's Nazis staging a terrorist attack from an outside threat. Why is it so impossible that the U.S and British governments have copied this kind of hoax?

[Napoléon]

There is overwhelming physical evidence

PROVIDE IT THEN.

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It's obviously NOT so overfuckingwhelming otherwise we'd all be on a rampage marching down to the white house and downing street demanding something be done about such an outrageous event.

[Cyberman]

That just proves how deep the conspiracy goes, if the evidence is still hidden after all these years. Or something.

I'm just wondering about the safety of all the brave men and women who expose these things for us. After all, if NASA/The Gubbinment/the Bilderbergers/the Illuminati/etc have the power to silence everyone involved in their evil conspiracies, what do you imagine they're going to do to some poor ordinary bloke who spots the one grainy YouTube video that brings the whole edifice down?

[Bgood]

If Christianity is an on-going conspiracy against mankind for over 2000 years...why couldn't 911 be a conspiracy for the past 10 years?

Christianity isn't a conspiracy. People actually believe in it.

Isn't the fact that people believe in a lie the whole idea of a conspiracy? Or else it wouldn't work.

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There is overwhelming physical evidence

PROVIDE IT THEN.

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It's obviously NOT so overfuckingwhelming otherwise we'd all be on a rampage marching down to the white house and downing street demanding something be done about such an outrageous event.

Americans wouldn't march on the white house. We would still sit on our asses and say, "whatever, who cares?" I got what I need and nothing can be done about it anyway. The evidence is out there. Look it up yourself. I don't have all day to provide you pages of data that you are just going to ignore and refute anyway.