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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 6:54 am
FallentoReason Wrote:So when you call yourself 'undeceived' are you saying God hasn't deceived you yet? Even as a Christian I would have a hard time believing that God e.g. created the stars and light already on its way so that in 6 000 years it would reach us. That is deceitful...
When your god myth doesn't line up with the facts, the only reconciliation you have is to come to the conclusion that your god is a deceitful bastard.
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 7:01 am
(June 15, 2012 at 6:27 am)FallentoReason Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 5:51 am)Epimethean Wrote: Uh, yeah:
If additional confidence in this data is desired, it may be helpful to note that the amount of carbon-14 found in a timber from a tunnel in Jerusalem thought to have been built by Hezekiah is approximately the same as the amount found in tree ring number 2700, which places its ring-counting age where expected from Biblical records if each ring equals one year. Even better, consider the Dead Sea Scrolls—the book of Isaiah in particular. Isaiah 53 describes Christ in such detail that Bible critics have long argued that it must have been written after the time of Christ. The amount of carbon-14 in the Isaiah scrolls is equal to or less than the amount in tree ring number 2100, meaning carbon-14 confirms its before-Christ historicity.
I don't think the agenda of that site is truly scientific.
It's an apologetic website that takes science for what it truly is and then comes to reasonable conclusions based on that. I don't see a problem with this.
What is science "truly" if it can be twisted to fit biblical exigencies?
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 7:07 am
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(June 15, 2012 at 7:01 am)Epimethean Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 6:27 am)FallentoReason Wrote: It's an apologetic website that takes science for what it truly is and then comes to reasonable conclusions based on that. I don't see a problem with this.
What is science "truly" if it can be twisted to fit biblical exigencies?
How has he done such a thing? He simply pointed out the implications of the data with regards to the Bible. Just because he's mentioned the Bible doesn't all of a sudden mean he's 'twisting' science to fit around the Bible. The data speaks for itself.
(June 15, 2012 at 6:54 am)Faith No More Wrote: FallentoReason Wrote:So when you call yourself 'undeceived' are you saying God hasn't deceived you yet? Even as a Christian I would have a hard time believing that God e.g. created the stars and light already on its way so that in 6 000 years it would reach us. That is deceitful...
When your god myth doesn't line up with the facts, the only reconciliation you have is to come to the conclusion that your god is a deceitful bastard.
I'm sure they would avoid that conclusion at all costs..
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 7:08 am
The bit about Isaiah says plenty about that agenda.
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 7:12 am
FallentoReason Wrote:I'm sure they would avoid that conclusion at all costs..
After the collection of horror stories known as the OT, admitting god is a trickster is no big deal.
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 7:12 am
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(June 15, 2012 at 7:08 am)Epimethean Wrote: The bit about Isaiah says plenty about that agenda.
Is there common knowledge on the book of Isaiah that makes it less reliable and he's trying to combat that? I think you'll have to enlighten me.
(June 15, 2012 at 7:12 am)Faith No More Wrote: FallentoReason Wrote:I'm sure they would avoid that conclusion at all costs..
After the collection of horror stories known as the OT, admitting god is a trickster is no big deal.
Hmm.. then I was a bad Christian for thinking otherwise!
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 9:32 am
(June 15, 2012 at 7:07 am)FallentoReason Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 6:54 am)Faith No More Wrote: When your god myth doesn't line up with the facts, the only reconciliation you have is to come to the conclusion that your god is a deceitful bastard.
I'm sure they would avoid that conclusion at all costs..
Perhaps He is just a practical joker. Everyone loves a joker.
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 9:37 am
(June 15, 2012 at 4:32 am)Godschild Wrote: I rely on creation scientist
That explains a lot.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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(June 15, 2012 at 7:07 am)FallentoReason Wrote: [quote='Epimethean' pid='299762' dateline='1339758113']
What is science "truly" if it can be twisted to fit biblical exigencies?
How has he done such a thing? He simply pointed out the implications of the data with regards to the Bible. Just because he's mentioned the Bible doesn't all of a sudden mean he's 'twisting' science to fit around the Bible. The data speaks for itself.
Can you comment on what the point of suggesting that Isaiah's description of christ must therefore come before christ himself may be? I ask this, knowing that C14 dating can have a variance in dating accuracy of between 50-150 years. What good scientist is going to pin down this argument in such a way?
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RE: The Creationists' Nightmare
June 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 9:37 am)Thor Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 4:32 am)Godschild Wrote: I rely on creation scientist
That explains a lot.
Sure does, seeing as creationists aren't scientists. Science is based on many principles that work time and time again. Scientists accept facts and use evidence, creationists don't.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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