I can feel your anger

[Skepsis]

I don't expect to convince the converted of anything. If you can outline for me why that as the universe has a 0 energy and that causality is dismissed (due to the big bang creating time) then yay, the "Atheists are right" and I'll be on my merry way.

By calling atheists "converted" you are tacitly implying that we hold to certain doctrine. Suprise! We don't. The best you could say all atheists must hold to is that they don't think there is sufficient evidence for God.

I don't understand why I should have to prove either of the concepts you offer. I certainly don't understand them, past a layman's perspective, and I doubt you truly understand them either (due to your scorn for science). For the sake of argument, assume that those two tidbits are entirely dismissed (by me). What does that add to your current troll against atheism?

I must admit the irony of being called a troll by coming to a forum which purpose is to troll is not lost on me, although I'm sure it would be on you.

And here you imply that all atheists are trolls... Great job. The true irony is that you revealed yourself to be a troll with this statement alone.

[Autumnlicious]

Now we have to wait until the end of his shift and a commute for the next heavy dose of "whoa."

You mean "derp".

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Selliedjoup Wrote: science being used as a religious replacement by some people

No doubt that is true. I should care exactly why?

Just admit you have no idea otherwise your perspective is as warped as any other fundamentalists.

and you are?

[Zen Badger]

What point is the OP trying to make?

[LastPoet]

What point is the OP trying to make?

That Science is the religion of atheists? Its hard to know since I don't speak batshitese.

[Zen Badger]

What point is the OP trying to make?

That Science is the religion of atheists? Its hard to know since I don't speak batshitese.

Science is the religion of atheists?

What a silly boy he is.

[Ace Otana]

If it makes you feel any better I'm a creationist.

Well, now I understand why you're completely nuts. Creationists are among the least educated, moronic prats to walk the earth.

It would of helped if you told us earlier that you're a creationist, it would of saved me time by ignoring your posts and threads.

[LastPoet]

What about christians that know science? They probably have 2 religions by this guy's logic. Oh wait, could it be they are not True Christians™?

[znk666]

wheelcheered scientist

Wheelcheered?

The scientist is apparently cheered by wheels.

[Gambit]

I actually agree with some of what this guy is trying to say; although I think his delivery is not quite conveying the message as he intended. None of us who have been around atheist/theist forums can deny that we've seen the same tired arguments over and over again. So it stands to reason that if we continue to get involved in them, at least some of us are searching for some sort of absolute truth; otherwise those people would just walk away. I'm guessing that the OP is agnostic, and thinks it's arrogant of either camp to claim the higher ground or victory in the debate, seeing as neither can absolutely prove the other wrong.

Further, I would imagine that the OP feels that atheists put too much stock in scientific methods, without have carried out experiments to verify that they work, and in doing so are as dogmatic as theists in their belief. However, I would say to the OP that there is a major difference between believing that gravity works and God existing. You don't need to have a PHD to test gravity, it's keeping you on the ground right now. Similarly, when examining anything, of course we start from a base of understanding. The difference between atheists and theists is, atheists start from a model that has demonstrable evidence of working. Moses was said to have parted the Red Sea, however, if I were to attempt the same thing, I wouldn't pray for it to happen. Instead I would start from the assumption that I need to displace the water in some way. Now, I know I can do this on a smaller scale using a straw, so I have at least one possible line of inquiry to start from. Let's assume that I have a lot more scientific knowledge than using straws to displace water: What do you think has the best chance of parting the Red Sea first, thousands of people praying or my science? You cannot say there is no way of knowing, because there is. We could ask that question of anything that has happened in recorded history, and the results are always the same. We trust in scientific method and reasoning because it has been proven to work - it's that simple. Prove that praying works and people will be happy to adapt it as a viable means of achieving results.