Better reasons to quit Christianity

[Jackalope]

Oh, yay! Another Pascal's Wager thread!

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[spockrates]

So you can stop restricting your life to fulfill the wishes of a probably fictional character? So you aren't tied to the bigotry inherent with it?

Not sure what you mean by bigotry. Will you give an example?

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What are they? Reason for asking: I've been told by thoughtful atheists that looking for logical contradictions in Christian beliefs, or within the pages of the Bible is a waste of time. The explanation given is that there are much better reasons to give up on being Christian. I'm just wondering what the better reasons are so I can try them on and see how they fit.

How about the main one: there is no evidence to support the proposition that the Abrahamic God exists.

...or the follow-up: all reputable, valid studies of claims which support the proposition that the Abrahamic God exists have falsified the proposition.

...or the follow-up to that: all reputable, valid studies of claims that any supernatural proposition exists have falsified those propositions.

If the Abrahamic God existed, how should he demonstrate his existence?

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I quit observing christianity because I had a ton of questions (How could a being create itself? was my favorite) and never got a rational answer. I could never find a way that the concept of God could be possible in any way.

Wouldn't the one who created all from nothing have to be self-existent?

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I'm in it for the unrepentant sin, or so I'm told.

I like your frank answer!

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Pascal's wager again? Ugh.

And I thought my old agnostic philosophy teacher came up with that one on his own! That old trickster fooled me (but I suppose that's not too difficult to do).

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What if Allah is the one true god? You'd be burning in hell with us atheists. Were's your rehash of that old dumbfuckery now?

I've read an English translation of the Koran. I didn't see any evidence that it was divine, rather than human in origin.

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[*]God exists, I don't give a hoot about God - I lose after I die

- Unknow. Maybe god can't stand believers and sends them all to hell, so you could just as easily win by not giving a hoot about a god who doesn't wish to receive any unwanted hoots.

[*]God exists, I do give a hoot about God - I win after I die

- See above. You could lose worse by believing the wrong god, or you could lose by believing the right god but are wrong about his opinion of your hoot

[*]God does not exist, I don't give a hoot about God - I break even after I die

- No, I win right now, since it free me of spurious constraints and maximizes my ability to optimize my live within real constraints.

[*]God does not exist, I give a hoot about God - I break even after I die

- No, you lose right now. You waste the only life you will ever have being slave to the diseased imagination of desert goat fuckers.

Yes, I agree. No God, no reason for living for anyone else, or for anything else but the present.

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Oh, yay! Another Pascal's Wager thread!

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Sorry, I'll try to change the subject. I guess for me, personally it's logical to look beyond life, if there is a chance something is after life. Do you have evidence I should consider that nothing is after life?

[Minimalist]

Do you have evidence I should consider that nothing is after life?

The burden of proof is yours, alone.

[FallentoReason]

What are they? Reason for asking: I've been told by thoughtful atheists that looking for logical contradictions in Christian beliefs, or within the pages of the Bible is a waste of time. The explanation given is that there are much better reasons to give up on being Christian. I'm just wondering what the better reasons are so I can try them on and see how they fit.

For me personally I see a contradiction between what gets taught in any church today and what the history of the time has to say for itself. Even the Bible itself disagrees with e.g. Matthew/John being the ones who wrote their Gospels (they're in 3rd person).

After the many things that just didn't add up I got to a point where I had to be honest with myself and accept it for what it was... And personally it was anything but the story of the Son of God coming to save the world from what HE started.

[Lion IRC]

What are they? Reason for asking: I've been told by thoughtful atheists that looking for logical contradictions in Christian beliefs, or within the pages of the Bible is a waste of time. The explanation given is that there are much better reasons to give up on being Christian. I'm just wondering what the better reasons are so I can try them on and see how they fit.

What if religion - including the worlds largest religion Christianity - gradually moved to the point of extinction leaving you in a minority and atheists comprising 90% of the worlds population?

Atheism has been an available menu option for a LONG LONG time. (Paleolithic/Neolithic.)

But you never know. It could happen.

A lot might be possible given another 20, 30, 40, 50 thousand years of evolution.

[Undeceived]

Do you have evidence I should consider that nothing is after life?

The burden of proof is yours, alone.

What proof do you have that the burden of proof is on Christians?

[The Grand Nudger]

What proof do you have that it isn't? Damn...wrong thread...

[Jackalope]

I'm in it for the unrepentant sin, or so I'm told.

I like your frank answer!

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I was being sarcastic, and speaking to the judgmental attitude of some theists I have encountered. The truth is, in a lifetime of examining claims, I have not found sufficient reason to believe.

Oh, yay! Another Pascal's Wager thread!

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Sorry, I'll try to change the subject. I guess for me, personally it's logical to look beyond life, if there is a chance something is after life. Do you have evidence I should consider that nothing is after life?
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It's not my burden to bear, and I'll not do so.

I don't really give a rip what you wish to talk about. Pascal's Wager is certainly nothing new, its been done to death here in some epic threads of inanity (please, please, do not post in the 'Aren't you atheists taking a big risk thread'). I've been doing this online discussion thing since the mid-1980's (not a typo), and it wasn't new then. Yet, like clockwork, someone comes in every few weeks thinking its some brilliant nugget of unassailable logic that has never been presented. It has, ad nauseum, and it has been shredded as many times.

Fresh arguments are likely to encounter significantly less derision.

[Minimalist]

The burden of proof is yours, alone.

What proof do you have that the burden of proof is on Christians?

You dickheads assert that your "soul" continues after death and that you get to kiss your godboy's ass for eternity.

It is up to you to provide evidence of such a childish belief.

[Lion IRC]

The burden of proof is yours, alone.

What proof do you have that the burden of proof is on Christians?

The burden of proof is yours, alone. ?

I dont remember ever voting for that rule.

Nice gig.

Sit back and claim the lucky, lazy, zero-burden of proof default position.