[split]Ron Paul plays Yahtzee with Nazis

[Darth]

Outside resources rock, but please quote everything you've copied and pasted =).

Let's Be Clear, Ron Paul Fucking Sucks. Here Are 20 Reasons Why

Every single one of the candidates currently running for the Republican nomination is a walking disaster. But one of them, Texas congressman Ron Paul, seems to be getting a disturbing amount of support from liberals. Mostly that's because his nut-job libertarian views happen to not sound so nutty on a handful of issues. He wants to end the War on Drugs. He is against the death penalty. He would not support a constitutional ban on gay marriage. He was opposed to the War in Iraq and wants to end all American military intervention abroad. All of that sounds pretty good to us left-wing types — downright refreshing coming from a Republican. Some progressives have claimed they'd rather vote for him than for Obama. Even Occupiers have sung his praises.

But if you're a liberal who supports Ron Paul, you either haven't been paying enough attention or you're out of your fucking mind.

That's all taken directly from that website you linked, in fact you could have just linked the website, or quoted the whole thing. I don't think you typed anything in that entire post of yours...

The ones about his personal beliefs. If true, these speak poorly of him, though we have in this thread watched him denounce racism as a particularly repugnant form of collectivism (or something along those lines). I have on the other hand seen the video of him call evolution "just a theory". But it's largely irrelevant, as because in the other points that you (that that website makes) make, he's against the federal government being involved in public education (and most government spending). Ron Paul: Has his own personal beliefs, doesn't want to forcibly take your hard earned money and use it to try to indoctrinate your children into believing as he believes.

The ones about him being against x department or the government doing x. Yup, he's against taking your money for nearly everything. He's against creating a bureaucracy, and wasting most of the money, if not all of it (if not actually end up making things worse). He's against forcing people to do things, even the right thing. Against foreign aid? I think not. He would be against government foreign aid (and how much ends up helping the poor and hungry, and how much ends up in the hands of despots?), and even then, is he against all government aid or just the federal government doing it?

The private sector doesn't do some of those things at the moment because there is already a government monopoly there, it doesn't mean that the private sector is incapable of doing those things, or offering those services. The airlines will pay to not have their planes collide, and if that increases the cost of flying then it means that all the people who dont fly/don't often fly (and I'm guessing that there will probably be a positive correlation between wealth and amount of time spent in the air) were likely subsidising the jet-setters.

Federalism/states rights, it's an interesting topic which I could talk about for hours. On the one hand, give Gary Johnson a ton of power and he'll have everything sorted out in next to no time, on the other hand those powers are very dangerous, what if people like George Bush get that power (and lets not kid ourselves that Obama is any better), they would use it to strip everyone of their rights. At least with 50 states that have more leeway in what they can do you end up with 50 choices, and different levels of freedom. Sure you could have a uniform amount of freedom if the federal government has the power to fix everything, but that amount might end up being 'none'. It's something that can be debated, sure.

15 and 17, one he no longer supports, the other, really? I'd love to see the source for 17, it would be a surprise, though I don't really know your history with that place.

8 Yup. Done to death (gettit?) in libertarian circles though, it's a weird issue in that there are libertarian arguments on both sides. If you believed that that bundle of cells was a human being, and that it had a soul, and that abortion was therefore murder, then I don't know how you'd sleep at night (I of course have no time for the theists who are against it because they think their god is against it (bible verses notwithstanding), bunch of theocratic fascists).

[Creed of Heresy]

You know, I should go ahead and put this out there myself; I am not against libertarian policies, myself. I'm a liberal, but after fairly extensive reading on Ron Paul, what he stands for, and what his stated goals were...I'm not opposed to the guy at all. In fact I was genuinely hoping he would go against Obama; I would have had to actually pay attention to the debates, I would have actually have had to be careful in who I voted for. But no, no, the RNC chose Mitt Romney because, hey, you hate the president who instated public health care?? Well why not make your presidential candidate the guy who implemented his own form of universal health care in his state...only unlike Obama, he fucked it up and made it mandatory with horrible taxes, fees, and penalties for not having it. Good going, RNC. So Obama, about your next four years in office...

But as a liberal, I don't find myself exactly opposed to libertarian ideologies. There are many common grounds between the parties, the only time we really split is on the ideas on the private sector, and we can butt heads about that til we come up with a solution. If I may be entirely honest, I would like to see a genuine Libertarian government in this country for at least 4 years, maybe 8. I would like to see the federal spending in this country utterly broken down and reduced to a minimalistic state so we can clear the clutter, and from there implement liberal ideologies on spending in their current forms. I would like to cut the conservatives out of the equation altogether; they're a relic, a party of contrarian idiots stuck in the Cold War era who can't get the fuck over themselves, who brashly proclaim themselves to be champions of small government while at the same time mandating things left and right about the government being able to force shit on you even harder than it's being forced on you as it is. Liberal government is about the government providing necessary services and no more nowadays. Conservative government is about the government backing those with money and forcing evangelical ideologies down your throat regardless of whether you like them or not. Libertarian government...is a government that stays the fuck out of your way. Cut the conservatives out and let's balance liberalism with libertarianism, it'd be a very good way to get this country back on track.

I suggest we have a liberal-libertarianism smoke-up party. That's another thing liberals and libertarians agree on, right? Smoking weed is ok? There, that's our meeting ground. Pass the bong and shoot the shit and fix the country over some Alaskan Thunderfuck.

[Darth]

I suggest we have a liberal-libertarianism smoke-up party. That's another thing liberals and libertarians agree on, right? Smoking weed is ok? There, that's our meeting ground. Pass the bong and shoot the shit and fix the country over some Alaskan Thunderfuck.

Pretty much, I mean there are libertarians who believe it's wrong (Ron paul I'm guessing, Penn Jillette (of Penn and Teller), most of the socially conservative libertarians ...) but believe that it's none of the government's damn business. I hear Penn won't even associate with people who drink, let alone do drugs. Not all of us will say it's right, ok or moral, but we will say you have the right to do it.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

That's far left pompassity for you. Doesn't look like they tolerate being disagreed with very well.

Um actually, Libertarians tend to be right wing.


Calling Libertarians Nazis is not disagreeing,it's being an ignorant cunt.

PS it's 'pomposity'

PPS: I do not support the Libertarian Zeitgeist.

[Darth]

That's far left pompassity for you. Doesn't look like they tolerate being disagreed with very well.

Um actually, Libertarians tend to be right wing.


Calling Libertarians Nazis is not disagreeing,it's being an ignorant cunt.

PS it's 'pomposity'

PPS: I do not support the Libertarian Zeitgeist.

I think A Theist was talking about crate being the far lefty not tolerating dissent very well, calling libertarians nazis.

Thank you.

PS Unless they're a pompous ass, in which case it is pompassity =P?

PPS: awwww

[Justtristo]

The most I will say of Ron Paul is he is a crackpot and that is bad thought. In rest of the civilized world, people like Ron Paul can only be elected if there is a form of proportional representation which allows political parties only winning say 2% of the total vote to be elected.

[Tiberius]

Something I've always liked about Libertarianism is the litmus test used to make important decisions.

"I have strong moral / religious objections to A."
"Does the legalisation of A limit your liberty or that of others?"
"No."
"Then A should be legal."

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Something I've always liked about Libertarianism is the litmus test used to make important decisions.

"I have strong moral / religious objections to A."
"Does the legalisation of A limit your liberty or that of others?"
"No."
"Then A should be legal."

Hardly what I would call a Nazi attitude.

A Nazi's response to such an objection would be to beat the living crap out of you,or shoot you in the head if possible.

[System of Solace]

Libertarian = Neo-Nazi

Hi,

I'm a Libertarian and I'm not a Neo-Nazi. Nice to meet you.

I thought I was the only one.

Crate, I'm wondering where your proof of Paul speaking at those anti-zionist and neo confederate rallies are. If you simply disagreed with his policies I would understand-maybe- but if you attack him by calling him racist and anti-Semitic without proper evidence I'm going to call bullshit.

[Justtristo]

Something I've always liked about Libertarianism is the litmus test used to make important decisions.

"I have strong moral / religious objections to A."
"Does the legalisation of A limit your liberty or that of others?"
"No."
"Then A should be legal."

While I disagree with what Libertarians advocate. However I would not compare them to the Nazis. Nether would I compare Christian Conservatives (although they are often very authoritarian) to Nazis.

Back to Ron Paul, I am fully right to call him a crack-pot. Because of his proposal to put the United States back on the Gold Standard. Even Milton Friedman thought this was a terrible idea.

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