My debate in Christian Forums in full swing

[greneknight]

It's obvious. There's no reason to hide. Since you do use the Protestant Bible with 66 books, you might as well come clean and admit it.

Actually I have used, debated and included passages from the books of Macabees, Quoted from the wisdoms of Soloman, and referenced passages from susanna when teaching a study on the book of Daniel. So again why do you assume that I am limited to the 66 books of the Cannon of the 'prodestant' bible?

There you go again. Evasive like you've done something wrong. You are so typical of many believing Christians. Always evasive. Having quoted from these books doesn't mean a thing. You do not accept these books as the word of God. Or do you? Or is it a secret that you want to keep because you are ashamed of your beliefs?

I know of no church council that settled on only the 66 books of the Protestant Bible. Can you tell me which church council that is? Come on, if it's a council you accept, surely you'd know the name of it.

Father Athanasius may have provided the orginal list, but he did not have the authority to close the canon of scripture on his own. If you really want to know what council he was apart of then do a google search Maybe you will find something there.
*Note just because History credits one man with an event or feat of some kind does not mean he did it alone.

I'm telling you there is no such council that decides your Protestant canon for you. I don't have to search google. I know it. You are the one who believes in the Protestant canon or you are ashamed to admit which canon you accept and would rather be evasive.

You are wrong. Your lack of knowledge here immediately tells me you are a fundy. All fundies don't know a thing about the canon and they don't even teach these things in fundy seminaries because the minute you know the history of the canon, you lose your fundyism.

Athanasius agrees only on the New Testament canon. The New Testament canon is not in dispute in any of the churches. It's the Old Testament canon that is in dispute. Athanasius includes Book of Baruch and Letter of Jeremiah in the Old Testament canon and he excludes Esther from the canon.

As you can see, there is not a single Father or Church Council that decides on a canon that is precisely the canon of fundies like yourself. So if I ask you what the word of God is, you will be at a total loss. You can't say it's the 66 books. You are not sure. Perhaps that is why you are so evasive and you refuse to state categorically what books constitute the Word of God.

If you have no basis to reject the other Church councils, can I assume that you accept ALL church councils?

Noope.

If not, are you then admitting that you reject church councils without basis? What makes you choose which church councils to accept then?

Noope, again. Why do you assume that I have accepted or denied anything???

You replied "Noope" to my question whether you accept ALL church councils. That means you reject at least some church councils. I'm not assuming anything even though you want to be evasive. So, I'm asking you - what makes you choose which church councils to accept and which to reject?

[Drich]

[quote='greneknight' pid='336877' dateline='1347716486']
[quote]There you go again. Evasive like you've done something wrong. [/quote]I answer the exact question you asked, if you did not get an answer you understand then either, you have persume or rely too heavily on your understanding of the subject at hand. or perhaps you should ask another (more complete) question. Or a series of them.

[quote]You are so typical of many believing Christians. Always evasive. Having quoted from these books doesn't mean a thing. You do not accept these books as the word of God. Or do you? [/quote]I accepted them as suplimentary books of the bible. they have their place and play a role in my faith. They are Not to be discounted nor are they to countermand canonical books.

[quote] Or is it a secret that you want to keep because you are ashamed of your beliefs?[/quote]That's just it you haven't asked what I believe. just how i view the catholic books of the bible. To that you have your answer.

[quote]I'm telling you there is no such council that decides your Protestant canon for you.[/quote]Straw Man. Show me where I said there was a protestant council that.. bla bla bla..

[quote]You are wrong.[/quote]You presume too much and over speak your position, by misrepersenting me.

[quote] Your lack of knowledge here immediately tells me you are a fundy. All fundies don't know a thing about the canon and they don't even teach these things in fundy seminaries because the minute you know the history of the canon, you lose your fundyism.

Athanasius agrees only on the New Testament canon. The New Testament canon is not in dispute in any of the churches. It's the Old Testament canon that is in dispute. Athanasius includes Book of Baruch and Letter of Jeremiah in the Old Testament canon and he excludes Esther from the canon.

As you can see, there is not a single Father or Church Council that decides on a canon that is precisely the canon of fundies like yourself. So if I ask you what the word of God is, you will be at a total loss. You can't say it's the 66 books. You are not sure. Perhaps that is why you are so evasive and you refuse to state categorically what books constitute the Word of God.[/quote]
again you persume too much, you are so in need to spew what you believe you know, you force the conversation to present you with oppertunities to flourish and praise yourself. You are an insecure fool. Why else would you need to praise yourself over another like this? You ask a question in your last paragraph and rather than let me answer. you assumed an answer yourself in away that allowed you to praise yourself, rather than give me an oppertunity to keep you from said self praise. In this behavior i do believe you are a 13 year old boy as you claim to be on CF.

[quote]You replied "Noope" to my question whether you accept ALL church councils. That means you reject at least some church councils.[/quote]
If you put my two answer together you will see that I have no opinion of the Chruch counsils. The reason I do not have an opinion is because I do not care. My faith my beliefs do not hinge one what any one counsil may or may not have concluded. My faith does not tie me to what demoniational worship decideds for itself. Not that it is wrong for those who worship that way. I simply do not need another to tell me what to believe or what not to believe. Because in the End God is my judge and I am answerable to Him, and not any given council.

[greneknight]

[quote='greneknight' pid='336877' dateline='1347716486']

There you go again. Evasive like you've done something wrong.

I answer the exact question you asked, if you did not get an answer you understand then either, you have persume or rely too heavily on your understanding of the subject at hand. or perhaps you should ask another (more complete) question. Or a series of them.

You are so typical of many believing Christians. Always evasive. Having quoted from these books doesn't mean a thing. You do not accept these books as the word of God. Or do you?

I accepted them as suplimentary books of the bible. they have their place and play a role in my faith. They are Not to be discounted nor are they to countermand canonical books.

Or is it a secret that you want to keep because you are ashamed of your beliefs?

That's just it you haven't asked what I believe. just how i view the catholic books of the bible. To that you have your answer.

I'm telling you there is no such council that decides your Protestant canon for you.

Straw Man. Show me where I said there was a protestant council that.. bla bla bla..

You are wrong.

You presume too much and over speak your position, by misrepersenting me.

Your lack of knowledge here immediately tells me you are a fundy. All fundies don't know a thing about the canon and they don't even teach these things in fundy seminaries because the minute you know the history of the canon, you lose your fundyism.

Athanasius agrees only on the New Testament canon. The New Testament canon is not in dispute in any of the churches. It's the Old Testament canon that is in dispute. Athanasius includes Book of Baruch and Letter of Jeremiah in the Old Testament canon and he excludes Esther from the canon.

As you can see, there is not a single Father or Church Council that decides on a canon that is precisely the canon of fundies like yourself. So if I ask you what the word of God is, you will be at a total loss. You can't say it's the 66 books. You are not sure. Perhaps that is why you are so evasive and you refuse to state categorically what books constitute the Word of God.

again you persume too much, you are so in need to spew what you believe you know, you force the conversation to present you with oppertunities to flourish and praise yourself. You are an insecure fool. Why else would you need to praise yourself over another like this? You ask a question in your last paragraph and rather than let me answer. you assumed an answer yourself in away that allowed you to praise yourself, rather than give me an oppertunity to keep you from said self praise. In this behavior i do believe you are a 13 year old boy as you claim to be on CF.

You replied "Noope" to my question whether you accept ALL church councils. That means you reject at least some church councils.

If you put my two answer together you will see that I have no opinion of the Chruch counsils. The reason I do not have an opinion is because I do not care. My faith my beliefs do not hinge one what any one counsil may or may not have concluded. My faith does not tie me to what demoniational worship decideds for itself. Not that it is wrong for those who worship that way. I simply do not need another to tell me what to believe or what not to believe. Because in the End God is my judge and I am answerable to Him, and not any given council.

So now, you are UNABLE to support your canon of scriptures with any Early Church Father or Church Council because, as I have told you, there's none. In your ignorance, you chose Athanasius (like any fundy would) only to be shown you were wrong. So I ask you again, what is the basis for your belief that the 66 books of the Bible are the inspired word of God? Do you have a basis for such a belief?

[Drich]

So now, you are UNABLE to support your canon of scriptures with any Early Church Father or Church Council because, as I have told you, there's none. In your ignorance, you chose Athanasius (like any fundy would) only to be shown you were wrong. So I ask you again, what is the basis for your belief that the 66 books of the Bible are the inspired word of God? Do you have a basis for such a belief?

you know you are circling the bowl don't you? You have forgone a line by line exchange for what you believe to be the key issue of your system of belief. Unfortunatly for you and your arguement you have completely misjudged the issue here. My FAITH does not hing on what yours once did. My faith is what the deciples built their faith on, What Paul built his faith on, and what every bible believing member of the Church has built their faiths on since the beginning.. Do you know what that is? of course you don't, otherwise you would not have gone all in with your weak arguement. My faith is built on the full filled promises God makes to each believer in the bible. I know the bible is the inspired word of God because God in that bible makes a series of promises to the potential believer, and has full filled those promises. (and for me, not only did i get what was promised i got extra)

[greneknight]

So now, you are UNABLE to support your canon of scriptures with any Early Church Father or Church Council because, as I have told you, there's none. In your ignorance, you chose Athanasius (like any fundy would) only to be shown you were wrong. So I ask you again, what is the basis for your belief that the 66 books of the Bible are the inspired word of God? Do you have a basis for such a belief?

you know you are circling the bowl don't you? You have forgone a line by line exchange for what you believe to be the key issue of your system of belief. Unfortunatly for you and your arguement you have completely misjudged the issue here. My FAITH does not hing on what yours once did. My faith is what the deciples built their faith on, What Paul built his faith on, and what every bible believing member of the Church has built their faiths on since the beginning.. Do you know what that is? of course you don't, otherwise you would not have gone all in with your weak arguement. My faith is built on the full filled promises God makes to each believer in the bible. I know the bible is the inspired word of God because God in that bible makes a series of promises to the potential believer, and has full filled those promises. (and for me, not only did i get what was promised i got extra)

You really are going round in a circle, aren't you? Never mind me. I asked you what your basis is to say that the 66 books of the Bible are the word of God. You said the Apocrypha cannot countermand the Holy word of God in the 66 books. You now say "I know the bible is the inspired word of God because God in that bible makes a series of promises to the potential believer, and has full filled those promises". I ask you again, how do you know it's the 66 books that are the word of God and not the apocrypha and not the further additional books in the Orthodox church? What is your basis for saying that? Did God appear to you in a dream and told you the 66 books were indeed his word and none else? Surely you won't let me slip in, say, the Book of Mormon or the Apocrypha? What is your basis?

[Drich]

You really are going round in a circle, aren't you? Never mind me. I asked you what your basis is to say that the 66 books of the Bible are the word of God. You said the Apocrypha cannot countermand the Holy word of God in the 66 books. You now say "I know the bible is the inspired word of God because God in that bible makes a series of promises to the potential believer, and has full filled those promises". I ask you again, how do you know it's the 66 books that are the word of God and not the apocrypha and not the further additional books in the Orthodox church?

If you are so keen as to remember all of what I said then maybe lets put the peices together.. together. If I know the 66 books of the bible are real because I have experienced the God of the bible in a way just as real to me as what Paul or any of the diciples experienced, then what does it say about Apocrypha?

After all I am willing to acknoweledge and teach from them, but not contradict what the 66 books say. Why? Because nothing from the Apocrypha was confirmed as the 66 books grouped with the bible. were.

If you are curious about my experiences do a search on some of my past threads.

[Godscreated]

This is from Drich's post in the thread where he called you out...


Really? You're still playing the poor persecuted martyr card, and calling us out where we can't defend ourselves? Despicable.

Since I know you can't provide any evidence that your posts have been altered, how about you just present evidence that anybody gives enough of a shit to put you in the violation of the rules, and if there is a big conspiracy to do so, how come we haven't done it enough so we could just ban your pious, arrogant, self-righteous ass?

Drich is a real dick. You guys should have a rule to throw believing Christians into the Gauntlet from time to time. Otherwise, it's so unfair for atheists. In all Christian forums, atheists are treated very badly and they are not allowed to post in many places. But atheist forums seem to be too nice to these self-righteous dicks.

Is this the goodness you believe in, if it is then why are you an alter boy. Does your archbishop know you believe this crude thinking.

[System of Solace]

No, Drich is usually a question-dodging prick. And Grene is hated by most people on this forum anyway.

By the way, questions end in question marks.

[Drich]

No, Drich is usually a question-dodging prick. And Grene is hated by most people on this forum anyway.

By the way, questions end in question marks.

And you are a way too familiar noob

[System of Solace]

No, Drich is usually a question-dodging prick. And Grene is hated by most people on this forum anyway.

By the way, questions end in question marks.

And you are a way too familiar noob

Yes, and this noob asked you an unanswerable question in the Christians don't believe in objective morality thread which you then ignored and then later gave a half-arsed and arrogant answer.

You missed the punctuation again, by the way.