Anti gay Lawyer arrested on child porn charges.

[Aractus]

You have nothing and you keep trying to deflect the thread away from the vile hypocrisy of your religion.

I don't respond to straw mans, sorry. I live in the real world.

[LastPoet]

I don't respond to straw mans, sorry. I live in the real world.

[genkaus]

Zen, I haven't looked into this case, hence I didn't comment on it. How is Child Porn any worse than the extreme violent gonzo porn that the USA makes? Specifically how is it worse than Rob Black depicting rape, torture, pain, humiliation and suffering in porn?

She wanted to film an underage teenage girl having sex? I know Child Porn is highly stigmatized, but again - big deal, how is it actually any worse than the most extreme "mainstream" gonzo pornography that is filmed in the USA anyway? All she was going to give the world is another piece of exploitative pornography.

Yeah we get it, she's as evil as hitler because she's producing child porn. Why don't you guys take your lead from Denmark and try cleaning up the garbage presently "legally" produced and spewed out to the world? Do we really need rape, torture, pain and suffering depicted in pornography??

Do you even understand why Child Pornography is reviled? Because the children who participate in it are the victims. That's what makes it a big deal. We actually have no problem with actors above legal age participating in pornography even if they look really, really young.

Incidentally, what is everyone's opinion cartoon or animated pornographic depiction of children - such as lolicon or shotacon? Personally, I'd consider them as weird and creepy as any other depiction of rape or BDSM, but I think they should be legal because they are, ultimately, victimless.

[Gilgamesh]

Incidentally, what is everyone's opinion cartoon or animated pornographic depiction of children - such as lolicon or shotacon? Personally, I'd consider them as weird and creepy as any other depiction of rape or BDSM, but I think they should be legal because they are, ultimately, victimless.

Yep. There are no actors involved; thus, nobody is being exploited. Legal.

Also, I love me some hentai.

[Whateverist]

Once again Daniel avoids one of my posts.

If we had a dodgeball team on this forum, Daniel would be a first stringer.

I find Daniel a more sympathetic figure than some of our god-botherers. He hasn't ducked all my posts but I can imagine there are many challenging him and it might be a lot for him to respond to all. In those circumstances he can be forgiven for choosing the posts where he likes what he has to say in response, normal human reaction.

Our mother Mother Teresa avatar poster would win my first prize for the hit and run event. I've never gotten her to tell me what the hell a god is anyway.

[Kirbmarc]

Personally, I'd consider them as weird and creepy as any other depiction of rape or BDSM, but I think they should be legal because they are, ultimately, victimless.

Yes, they should be legal. Although if I'd ever met someone who enjoys them I'd be very wary of them. Then again, I'm wary of people who enjoy depictions of rape, too. Consensual rough sex or BDSM is different: although I don't practice it, I'm not particularly creeped out by it.

[TaraJo]

Ok, to start this off, Daniel, you're being stupid. Very stupid. As in 'you need to get a cat scan to figure out what kind of brain damage you have' kind of stupid.

1) The reason we're mentioning the story is because of the absurd amount of hipocracy involved with this woman. She's fighting a moral crusade because, somehow, homosexuals and abortion are damaging our nation's morals, but she's participating in kiddy porn. How is anyone supposed to take her seriously when she's trying to inject her moral code as law when that moral code includes kiddy porn?

2) As for how child porn is worse than regular porn, my rule for sexuality is that anything consenting adults want to do amongst themselves is fair game. I might have some questions about the 'consenting' part of the story since children can be easily coerced, but I can damn near guarantee that 'adults' and 'children' are different things. As for comparing it to other forms of 'gonzo' porn, let's take a look: rape, I'm cool with rape fantasy, as long as the porn involves people who are participating in that fantasy of their own free will. If you're into scat porn or golden showers, same thing. There are a lot of bdsm videos out there, and as long as all the participants are in it of their own free will, I'm good.

Ugh. Right now, Danny is making me think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awcKHKf98rw

[Aractus]

Do you even understand why Child Pornography is reviled? Because the children who participate in it are the victims. That's what makes it a big deal. We actually have no problem with actors above legal age participating in pornography even if they look really, really young.

Your victim argument doesn't hold as strong as you think it does for danish child porn. All of the "victims" were above the legal age of consent in denmark at the time, and I understand the bulk was underage sex between two underage people, not an underage person and an adult as you're imagining. The age of consent in Australia is 16, but the law states that performers in porn must be at least 18+. Why the arbitrary discrepancy?

BTW you missed my argument. The BDSM material "legal in the USA" is illegal in Australia, the UK and most other places, when is the USA going to get their ass in gear and stop the extremely obscene material that depicts rape torture and pain instead of depicting consensual sex? I thought porn is supposed to depict only consensual sex, so why does the USA think it's okay to depict non-consensual sex in porn?

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1) The reason we're mentioning the story is because of the absurd amount of hipocracy involved with this woman.

Oh and as if the USA isn't totally hypocritical by banning child porn but allowing porn to depict rape? By allowing extreme pornography and criminalizing prostitution? By being so out of step with the rest of the civilized world on these issues!

She's fighting a moral crusade because, somehow, homosexuals and abortion are damaging our nation's morals, but she's participating in kiddy porn. How is anyone supposed to take her seriously when she's trying to inject her moral code as law when that moral code includes kiddy porn?

You think I'm trying to defend her - I'm not. I think people who are overtly anti-gay without having the exact same attitude to all "fornication" are in err. I think it's ridiculous to stigmatise homosexuality over pre-material sex, promiscuity, rape, adultery, bestiality, etc, instead of seeing them all as an equal sin.

2) As for how child porn is worse than regular porn, my rule for sexuality is that anything consenting adults want to do amongst themselves is fair game.

Fine, if that's the case then tell the USA to decriminalize prostitution as well, because they are so out of line with the rest of the civilized world it makes them look like 18th century barbarians.

As for comparing it to other forms of 'gonzo' porn, let's take a look: rape, I'm cool with rape fantasy, as long as the porn involves people who are participating in that fantasy of their own free will.

So the paedophiles who watch child-porn are engaging in their own fantasy too, how is their watching the material any worse than those who engage in "rape fantasy"?

[Darth]

You think I'm trying to defend her - I'm not. I think people who are overtly anti-gay without having the exact same attitude to all "fornication" are in err. I think it's ridiculous to stigmatise homosexuality over pre-material sex, promiscuity, rape, adultery, bestiality, etc, instead of seeing them all as an equal sin.

And we all think its ridiculous to stigmatise pre-martial sex and homosexual love as though they were in any way shape or form, equal to rape. Most repugnant idea I've heard all year.

So the paedophiles who watch child-porn are engaging in their own fantasy too, how is their watching the material any worse than those who engage in "rape fantasy"?

Because they're paying for an actual fucking rape. Of a child.

[LastPoet]

So the paedophiles who watch child-porn are engaging in their own fantasy too, how is their watching the material any worse than those who engage in "rape fantasy"?

Really? You don't undertand that the 'material' paedo's watch, had to come from victimizing a child? How odd that you in your vaunted intelligence can't see that.

You think I'm trying to defend her - I'm not. I think people who are overtly anti-gay without having the exact same attitude to all "fornication" are in err. I think it's ridiculous to stigmatise homosexuality over pre-material sex, promiscuity, rape, adultery, bestiality, etc, instead of seeing them all as an equal sin.

Ah, but its not the same thing. You in your black or white religiotard thinking may look at them equally but just as your religion its nothing but a lie that you try to convince yourself that is true, your 'sin' notion is just that, a lie. From that list only rape, bestiality and paedophilia are crimes in my book, why? One word: Consent. An adulterer may be considered an ass for the lack of honesty, but that isn't a crime.

As for your vaunted 'sin', fuck you, your jesus and your god.