Athiesm is a Faith?

[Minimalist]

Beats the shit out of fucking jesus...especially with my home made sauce and some Romano cheese and a bottle of chianti.

Besides, the FSM is eternal and self-regenerating.

[Mark 13:13]

So the first Theist was an Athiest at the start and just invented GOD. Where did he/she get the idea from?

The first theist likely had little conception of the sort of God you're referring to. He or she would (most likely, given what of the history of religion can be discerned) have been an animist, believing that rocks and trees and the wind and so forth had personalities. There's an excellent book by Pascal Boyer that goes into some detail on what would likely have been in play in the head of the first theist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_Explained

now should i read it first and then consider burden of proof or should I only go as far as the first sentence that makes an assumption and ask for burden of proof before continuing ? ( joking )
but in reality who can know what was in the first theist head.

[paulpablo]

So the first Theist was an Athiest at the start and just invented GOD. Where did he/she get the idea from?

Probably from the idea that theres something big out there that can shake the earth, make your family members drop dead or strart having a fit on the floor for unexplained reasons. unexplained lights in the sky. Not being able to explain where life comes from aswell.
If your friends and family were mostly dropping down dead at around the age of 30 or 40 and your life depended on crops growing and you had no scientific knowledge whatsoever i think you would pray to whatever you could and give sacrifices if you thought it would help, so would i.

[Mark 13:13]

So the first Theist was an Athiest at the start and just invented GOD. Where did he/she get the idea from?

Probably from the idea that theres something big out there that can shake the earth, make your family members drop dead or strart having a fit on the floor for unexplained reasons. unexplained lights in the sky. Not being able to explain where life comes from aswell.

why did he not think it was just a giant shy elephant?

[paulpablo]

they might have done for all i know, it makes as much sense as a giant shy man who cant be seen but writes a bible,

[Mark 13:13]

Probably from the idea that theres something big out there that can shake the earth, make your family members drop dead or strart having a fit on the floor for unexplained reasons. unexplained lights in the sky. Not being able to explain where life comes from aswell.

why did he not think it was just a giant shy elephant?

don't answer I know what you are saying

[Annik]

I disagree. Surely I can have a conversation without having to prove anything, and if i'm not trying to prove anything then whats the burden. If you don't want the conversation, you can leave it, if I don't want to prove something then I don't have to prove it so long as I don't ask you to prove it all seems fine in my mind.

It's not my job to deal with your ignorance. If you refuse to back up your claim, then none of your points mean anything. It would be the same as if we were seriously talking about how many elves are in Santa's workshop without any proof as to Santa's existence. If I call you on Santa's existence and you pull this stupid shit, the discussion is over. You're no longer being intellectually honest. This isn't that hard to understand and I don't get why you won't just accept the burden as your own. It's yours. Whether you want it or not is irrelevant. Welcome to debate.

[paulpablo]

why did he not think it was just a giant shy elephant?

don't answer I know what you are saying

i just did answer, to me that makes as much sense as a giant man who cant be seen

[Mark 13:13]

don't answer I know what you are saying

i just did answer, to me that makes as much sense as a giant man who cant be seen

sry I hit return quickly and ended up double posting in an edit

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I disagree. Surely I can have a conversation without having to prove anything, and if i'm not trying to prove anything then whats the burden. If you don't want the conversation, you can leave it, if I don't want to prove something then I don't have to prove it so long as I don't ask you to prove it all seems fine in my mind.

It's not my job to deal with your ignorance. If you refuse to back up your claim, then none of your points mean anything. It would be the same as if we were seriously talking about how many elves are in Santa's workshop without any proof as to Santa's existence. If I call you on Santa's existence and you pull this stupid shit, the discussion is over. You're no longer being intellectually honest. This isn't that hard to understand and I don't get why you won't just accept the burden as your own. It's yours. Whether you want it or not is irrelevant. Welcome to debate.

Can you actually respond to the words printed, take the statement piece by piece as show me exactly whats wrong with it.

[Annik]

You still don't understand what I'm talking about.


I'm out. This is frustrating as fuck. You guys have more patience than I.