Is It Me Or Is There Something A Bit Illogical Here?

[Minimalist]

That question was asked 400 years ago by a monk called Luther.

And what a fuckhead he was.

[popeyespappy]

This is highly hipocrytical. It is the duty of those who worship Jesus to attend church. How can one be against organized religion and still be a worshipper of Christ?

Why doesn't it surprise me to see a Catholic putting the church on a pedestal?

[Anomalocaris]

This is highly hipocrytical. It is the duty of those who worship Jesus to attend church. How can one be against organized religion and still be a worshipper of Christ?

Why doesn't it surprise me to see a Catholic putting the church on a pedestal?

Otherwise he would be hipocrytical.

[popeyespappy]

Why doesn't it surprise me to see a Catholic putting the church on a pedestal?

Otherwise he would be hipocrytical.

Isn't that the guy that invented trigonometry?

[justin]

You're right. Silly us for thinking that xtianity is a religion.

It is a widespread cult.

This was a bit like watching children argue.

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I've made several comments like this. What I mean when i separate religion from Christ, is the method of worship/religion taking priority over the establishment of a personal relationship. Corporate worship or religious worship is often steeped in meaningless ceremony, and mindless tradition. Why is this a bad thing? It's not always a bad thing for everyone. For our greatest command is to worship our god with all of our being. For SOME this means they have to follow a corporate model of worship. However for most a corporate style worship is boring and off putting, making it toxic to the faith we are to have.

So because you don't worship like other religions Christianity is not a religion? What does believing you have a "personal" relationship do to change it from being defined as a religion?

[Drich]

But the issue becomes, how does someone define a religion that doesn't adhere to strict guidelines?

Christ defined it (In practice) as Christianity. Christ told us that the whole of 'Christianity' is based on two commands, not a list of strict guidelines.

A lot of the people who I've seen arguing with you (including myself) don't like that you seem to answer that question by using your own, personal definition of what a Christian is.

Everything being defined by me is straight unfiltered bible. I do not use the typical 'christian' approach when discussing matters. Meaning I am not repersenting a given denominations doctrine or offical stand/position of the church. That is why most of you are having difficulty constructing a viable arguements. For the majority of the arguements you bring to the discussion have been purpose built around deconstructing a given denomination's doctrinal views.

You can have your opinion, of course, but it makes debate a nightmare of shifting goalposts if you don't clearly define it beforehand.

then ask a question rather than assume that you know everything their is to know about christianity/the bible.

(And no one ever clearly defines what specific type of Christian they are.)

I have many many many times on this web site. I am a bible Based Christian. I speak where the bible speaks and remains silent where the bible is silent.

[Aegrus]

But the issue becomes, how does someone define a religion that doesn't adhere to strict guidelines?

Christ defined it (In practice) as Christianity. Christ told us that the whole of 'Christianity' is based on two commands, not a list of strict guidelines.

A lot of the people who I've seen arguing with you (including myself) don't like that you seem to answer that question by using your own, personal definition of what a Christian is.

Everything being defined by me is straight unfiltered bible. I do not use the typical 'christian' approach when discussing matters. Meaning I am not repersenting a given denominations doctrine or offical stand/position of the church. That is why most of you are having difficulty constructing a viable arguements. For the majority of the arguements you bring to the discussion have been purpose built around deconstructing a given denomination's doctrinal views.

You can have your opinion, of course, but it makes debate a nightmare of shifting goalposts if you don't clearly define it beforehand.

then ask a question rather than assume that you know everything their is to know about christianity/the bible.

(And no one ever clearly defines what specific type of Christian they are.)

I have many many many times on this web site. I am a bible Based Christian. I speak where the bible speaks and remains silent where the bible is silent.

You're missing the point. There is no single way to define the bible, and your interpretations are not automatically more valid than anyone else's. Every Christian claims to be a bible-based Christian, and you all interpret it differently.

[Drich]

So because you don't worship like other religions Christianity is not a religion?

No, Christianity is a religion like any other.

What does believing you have a "personal" relationship do to change it from being defined as a religion?

Nothing. religion is man's effort to reach out and worship God.

A personal relationship is just a personal revelation/effort to not get lost in traditional/mindless worship. It's an effort to reach God and worship him with all of your being.

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You're missing the point. There is no single way to define the bible, and your interpretations are not automatically more valid than anyone else's. Every Christian claims to be a bible-based Christian, and you all interpret it differently.

Actually no, you just assume that you are speaking to someone repersenting a specific denomination view. (again you did not ask any questions.)http://atheistforums.org/thread-12406.html

as you can see from this thread I do not believe in any one denominational view as being correct. Meaning Christ ensured us with his attonement offered to give us the freedom to center our worship on Him, the best way we know how to.. So long as it does not conflict with the 'thou shalt nots' assoceiated with the Christian religion.

Meaning so long as we do not 'go out of bounds' per the black and white rules found in the bible, then we have the freedom to worship as we like.

My 'judgement' in this case is not to determine whether or not these people themselves are christian. My efforts were to simply identify their deeds as having nothing to do with Christianity. (I Identified their deeds as sins, therefore they can not possiably be forms of worship.)

[justin]

So because you don't worship like other religions Christianity is not a religion?

No, Christianity is a religion like any other.

Well glad we agree on something

What does believing you have a "personal" relationship do to change it from being defined as a religion?

Nothing. religion is man's effort to reach out and worship God.

I disagree i think it is mere delusion and man made for control but okay.

A personal relationship is just a personal revelation/effort to not get lost in traditional/mindless worship. It's an effort to reach God and worship him with all of your being.

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You're missing the point. There is no single way to define the bible, and your interpretations are not automatically more valid than anyone else's. Every Christian claims to be a bible-based Christian, and you all interpret it differently.

Actually no, you just assume that you are speaking to someone repersenting a specific denomination view. (again you did not ask any questions.)http://atheistforums.org/thread-12406.html

as you can see from this thread I do not believe in any one denominational view as being correct. Meaning Christ ensured us with his attonement offered to give us the freedom to center our worship on Him, the best way we know how to.. So long as it does not conflict with the 'thou shalt nots' assoceiated with the Christian religion.

Meaning so long as we do not 'go out of bounds' per the black and white rules found in the bible, then we have the freedom to worship as we like.

My 'judgement' in this case is not to determine whether or not these people themselves are christian. My efforts were to simply identify their deeds as having nothing to do with Christianity. (I Identified their deeds as sins, therefore they can not possiably be forms of worship.)

[fr0d0]

Religion =/= Christianity

You're right. Silly us for thinking that xtianity is a religion.

No, you're being dense. The article is saying that religion is bad, and that one particular religion is good.
They don't see their own flaws, sure. But are those flaws the religion or the people in the religion? They believe it's the flawed people. Jesus condemned the religious, and that stands today, and when we're talking Christianity.