Religious people have you ever tried praying?

[Phish]

if yes why are you still religious?

And in every war that has been fought,why were the soldiers always told that the god is on their side,so god has it's spacial country here on earth has he? I wonder which one is.

[jstrodel]

I have prayed often, and recieved many responses. Once I prayed and asked God for a car, and two days later, I got a 2002 Toyotta Corrolla. Other times I have prayed, asking God for different things. I asked God if I should change my name from Jay to Joseph and a prophet who didn't know my name or anything about me said "your name is Joseph". I simply asked him to pray for me, I didn't tell him I had had the experience the day before. About a week later a girl walked up to me and said that she had also been given that name of Joseph for me.

I prayed other times "show me your glory", following Moses in the book of Exodus. I received visions that I could see of all these different events in my life. I saw thousands of images. I also met up with a lady who was a prophet. She told me that God was showing me images of my past and where i had failed him.

I have had many, many examples of answered prayer. I could go on and on. I would pray and ask God questions saying "show me this is in the Bible" and God would respond.

I used to spend 30 hours a week praying and seeking God. I would go in the presence of God which I could tangibly feel. I have seen the presence of God. I have made the presence of God the center of my life for different periods.

I would be happy to share more with you about this, if you want my phone number PM me and I will give it to you. Prayer is real.


The one thing that I have noticed is that I only have answered prayer when I obey God, usually. It talks about in Isaiah how peoples sins separate them from God. God cannot be "scientifically" disproved through testing prayer with impure motives and sin in the heart. God hears peoples prayers when people listen to God. God will never reveal himself to people that treat seeking him as being something trivial. He responds to the people that care enough to put their whole lives on the line, that are ready to leave all their sin, and the people that diligently pursue in.

"If I cherished iniquity in my heart the LORD would not hear me"

[Phish]

I have prayed often, and recieved many responses. Once I prayed and asked God for a car, and two days later, I got a 2002 Toyotta Corrolla. Other times I have prayed, asking God for different things. I asked God if I should change my name from Jay to Joseph and a prophet who didn't know my name or anything about me said "your name is Joseph". I simply asked him to pray for me, I didn't tell him I had had the experience the day before. About a week later a girl walked up to me and said that she had also been given that name of Joseph for me.

I prayed other times "show me your glory", following Moses in the book of Exodus. I received visions that I could see of all these different events in my life. I saw thousands of images. I also met up with a lady who was a prophet. She told me that God was showing me images of my past and where i had failed him.

I have had many, many examples of answered prayer. I could go on and on. I would pray and ask God questions saying "show me this is in the Bible" and God would respond.

I used to spend 30 hours a week praying and seeking God. I would go in the presence of God which I could tangibly feel. I have seen the presence of God. I have made the presence of God the center of my life for different periods.

I would be happy to share more with you about this, if you want my phone number PM me and I will give it to you. Prayer is real.

hmm and those hungry and less fortunate folks they pray to your god and they still don't receive food or shelter oh now they get AIDS instead.praise the all mighty god!

And you are telling me that god hasn't got any other things to do that to sit in his cloud and watch over this planet and when you pray he quickly answers,oh man you are just a little kid aren't you you still believe in imaginary friends how cute,do you wait for santa every christmas as well?

oh sorry i know better ways how to waist my life than to listen to your ferry tails here.

[CleanShavenJesus]

I have prayed often, and recieved many responses. Once I prayed and asked God for a car, and two days later, I got a 2002 Toyotta Corrolla."

That has absolutely nothing to do with God. Unless of course the car mysteriously appeared in your driveway with a card saying, "From: God", but even then that probably wouldn't have actually been God.


And as for the rest of your post:

[jstrodel]

You can't disprove what I said was false. An open-minded person would be open to the possiblity that spiritual entities could exist. Can you disprove that there could be spiritual entities? People used to be firm that Newton's theories explained the natural world in a certain way but then Einstein came and overturned them. There is no one in any science department that can disprove that spiritual entities might exist. There is no one. No one has proved that materialism exists.

Phish, I see from your profile that you are 15 years old. I am saddened to see the image of Timothy Leary in your profile. I take it you are a drug user. When I was 15 I also used drugs (though I had been sober for several years when all these events happened). It breaks my heart to see you getting into both atheism and drugs at such a young age. I would encourage you to take seriously what I am saying. I am not making it up.

I wish I could just get off of the computer and just hug you. You will suffer a lot if you go down that path. I wish I could take it away from you. It is a tough path. How do you know that God isn't real?

[CleanShavenJesus]

How do you know that God isn't real?

Let me respond with another question: How do you know YOUR God IS real?

And yes, an open-minded person would be open to the idea of God. And we all have been. And then we weren't. Because we realized the truly open-minded person would be open to the idea of NO God.

[jstrodel]

How do you know that God isn't real?

Let me respond with another question: How do you know YOUR God IS real?

And yes, an open-minded person would be open to the idea of God. And we all have been. And then we weren't. Because we realized the truly open-minded person would be open to the idea of NO God.

I know because i have given up my life of psychedelic music and fun and sex and followed the hard road of self denial and holiness, ready to give up anything just to know, just to know what life was about. There is really very little in life that you can know just by thinking about it. Deeper knowledge comes through a combination of experience and reflection. Atheists are all up in the mind. They don't realize that God is something to be experienced and known as a person.

A million times you repeat your propaganda which you post over and over again like clockwork, trying to argue your way against the worlds wisdom traditions, imagining at age 23 you have solved every problem that needs to be solved.

I know now that I know so little, but what I have, I hold on to dearly. It is not like a piece of propaganda like a you tube video or someting that I watch on TV, it is my relationship with God, not delicate, very certain, so certain I would easily die for it.

And I know, because in response, God revealed to me what I posted above, and much much more.

How do you know that you aren't an atheist because you like getting high and having sex and listening to pink floyd? You havn't sought the issue out deeply, because if you did, you'd have the same experience I have.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Let me respond with another question: How do you know YOUR God IS real?

And yes, an open-minded person would be open to the idea of God. And we all have been. And then we weren't. Because we realized the truly open-minded person would be open to the idea of NO God.

I know because i have given up my life of psychedelic music and fun and sex and followed the hard road of self denial and holiness, ready to give up anything just to know, just to know what life was about. There is really very little in life that you can know just by thinking about it. Deeper knowledge comes through a combination of experience and reflection. Atheists are all up in the mind. They don't realize that God is something to be experienced and known as a person.

A million times you repeat your propaganda which you post over and over again like clockwork, trying to argue your way against the worlds wisdom traditions, imagining at age 23 you have solved every problem that needs to be solved.

I know now that I know so little, but what I have, I hold on to dearly. It is not like a piece of propaganda like a you tube video or someting that I watch on TV, it is my relationship with God, not delicate, very certain, so certain I would easily die for it.

And I know, because in response, God revealed to me what I posted above, and much much more.

How do you know that you aren't an atheist because you like getting high and having sex and listening to pink floyd? You havn't sought the issue out deeply, because if you did, you'd have the same experience I have.

Woah woah woah now, don't diss Pink Floyd. First of all, I haven't done any sort of drug in a long time, not because I had some sort of strange revelation like you apparently did, but because I got bored of it. Never went past marijuana though. And yes, I do like having sex. But absolutely none of those things affect me being atheist. Let's get this out of the way because I know it'll be said, atheism and morals do not coincide. The term "atheist" simply means that you lack belief in a god/gods. There is no connection with personality. Some are nice, some are well-accomplished, some are fuck-ups. It doesn't matter.

Now that that is out of the way, religion is propaganda. Majority of the time that is what it's used for. As Seneca the Younger once said, "religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” By being a follower of religion, you're partaking in the largest example of propoganda in human history.

Your proof for your God is in the connections you've had with Him. But what about a Muslim who claims to have had similar, if not the exact same, type of interactions with Allah? Is he bullshitting? Or are you bullshitting? How can you prove he isn't bullshitting, because if he isn't, that really fucks up your claims.

[Nine]

I have prayed often, and recieved many responses. Once I prayed and asked God for a car, and two days later, I got a 2002 Toyotta Corrolla.

Poe.

[jstrodel]

The term "atheist" simply means that you lack belief in a god/gods. There is no connection with personality. Some are nice, some are well-accomplished, some are fuck-ups. It doesn't matter.[/b]

You may define the term "atheist" as "simply lacking belief in a god/gods", but if you studied the lives of you and all the atheists you know, you would see that atheism is a distinct culture with its own norms, values and beliefs that go way beyond simply believing there are no Gods.

Peoples beliefs about the world determine their values. That is the source of values: beliefs. Your culture that you see as just being incidental, Pink Floyd, marijuana, etc, is to a very large degree an outgrowth of peoples theological beliefs. You can hide behind a definition of atheism that is designed to obscure this, but you cannot do it and be honest at the same time.

Your proof for your God is in the connections you've had with Him. But what about a Muslim who claims to have had similar, if not the exact same, type of interactions with Allah? Is he bullshitting? Or are you bullshitting? How can you prove he isn't bullshitting, because if he isn't, that really fucks up your claims.

Why should they be mutually exclusive? You have to think carefully about theological issues. There is no reason that Muslims and Christians could not have mystical experiences that come from some spiritual source. Maybe getting to the bottom of exactly what happened could be trickier.