If homosexuality were preventable should it be prevented?

[Question Mark]

Fair enough on the facts. It'll probably alter slightly again over the years, it always does when there's a concerted effort to slow the spread of a disease.

Still, however, I'm not sure how the spread of a disease is an argument against homosexuality. On the same level, we could argue that it's best for only lesbians to have sex, given that they have the lowest infection rate.

Were you the one arguing this point? I admit I forget who it was making that argument.

No I wasn't, lol.

In Australia we see that Aboriginal people are far more likely to be incarcerated for a crime compared with white people. This isn't an argument "not to be ethnic" though.

Aboriginal people shouldn't drink alcohol, it only causes problems for them. When the Europeans colonized Australia, alcoholism was one of the two main things that killed off a lot of the existing aboriginal populations. The other was being exposed to diseases that Aborigines had never had before. That's the reason, despite the fact that the Europeans tried to save them, that there are no more original Tasmanian Aborigines - they all died.

The fact that Aboriginal people shouldn't drink alcohol shouldn't be a reason to tell white people and other ethnic groups in Australia not to drink alcohol.

Given the statistics of the homosexual populations in Australia, it is very clear that the number of sexual partners in this group of people is high. In fact, even women who identify as exclusively lesbian (not bisexual) have more male partners on average than an heterosexual woman. For gays, however, the problem is compounded as you know. With anal sex there is a much higher risk of exposure to blood than there is with vaginal sex. This makes catching the vast majority of STI's a lot easier. Then there is the issue of monogamy - gays are far less monogamous than heterosexuals, and in most male-male relationships (in Australia) which both partners view as "exclusive" and "monogamous" at least one partner (if not both) is regularly having sexual contact with another person/people. So this reiterates the importance for the gay community in Australia of using condoms every time they have sex, and the importance of regular STI testing, even if you believe your relationship to be monogamous.

It's nice to hear a reasonable and moderate voice out there in the void

[Ryantology]

Oh get fucked. All I said is what the best arrangement is for the child. Children also suffer when parents go through divorce. There's any number of factors that CAN negatively effect children, I didn't focus on the NEGATIVE, I said what the ideal situation is, that's it.

I bet Jesus is really proud of you!

They need a father and a mother. When deprived of one, or the other, they look to others to be a father figure or mother figure, and this is well known to cause problems. You can counteract this, to some extent, by having a stable substitute father figure or mother figure for them, but it's still not ideal.

Thanks for the unsupported assertion.

Children are lied to in school. I know I was lied to. I was taught that the primary colours are red blue and yellow, and that you cannot make blue paint because it's a "primary colour". Actually you make blue paint by mixing cyan and magenta paints in equal amounts. I was taught many things that were wrong.

Being taught things that are wrong is not the same as being deliberately lied to and inculcated into a hate cult.

When I see children being taught global warming and shown "Incontinent Truth" I see child abuse. I would like to see them exposed to a more balanced teaching on science.

Let me guess, your 'balanced' teaching would be 'God is raising global temperatures and causing more extreme weather patterns as revenge for us embracing homosexuality'.

The same goes with Evolution, I was taught lies about Evolution when I was a child, and it wasn't until I moved on from the lies that I could accept it. I was taught certain things about Evolution that are theory were fact.

What were those 'lies'?

Just because you disagree with the argument doesn't mean that there isn't one.

I await the day when someone decides to stop claiming there is one and gets around to presenting it.

One major difference that exists with homosexual couples raising children, as opposed to heterosexuals, is that in a homosexual relationship, the children are always planned. They can't accidentally have a kid. So, when such a couple adopts, or arranges to conceive, it is far more likely that these are two people who are ready and willing to be good parents. They cannot get to that point without considerable planning and thought. So, take your unfounded, bronze-age hatreds and shove them up your poop chute.

[Aractus]

Let me guess, your 'balanced' teaching would be 'God is raising global temperatures and causing more extreme weather patterns as revenge for us embracing homosexuality'.

You think that global warming is correlated to "more extreme weather patterns"? It's exactly that kind of BS that I'm against being taught in schools.

[Ryantology]

Let me guess, your 'balanced' teaching would be 'God is raising global temperatures and causing more extreme weather patterns as revenge for us embracing homosexuality'.

You think that global warming is correlated to "more extreme weather patterns"? It's exactly that kind of BS that I'm against being taught in schools.

Whether or not it is, I made no such correlation.

Since when were you a certified climatologist, that you have the chops to determine what is and is not bullshit?

[Aractus]

Since when do you have to be a climatologist to smell bullshit?

[Waratah]

There are no independent studies which show, conclusively, a significant benefit to children who have a mother and a father compared to those who have same-sex parents. Because, of course, that's total bullshit.

They need a father and a mother. When deprived of one, or the other, they look to others to be a father figure or mother figure, and this is well known to cause problems. You can counteract this, to some extent, by having a stable substitute father figure or mother figure for them, but it's still not ideal.

This is for Aractus who loves to post bullshit and then avoids posts which seem to point out his bullshit. Here is the reposting.

Please tell me what is the difference between the roles of a mother and a father if there is one? Does the male have to take on the "father figure" role? Does the female have to take on the "mother figure" role?

I thought it was well known that a child ideally only needs at least one stable loving carer in their life.

[Aractus]

Waratah, you seem to be confused, so let me spell it out for you plainly.

The topic of this thread didn't interest me originally, I made a backhanded comment and then another one.

The topic of the thread is "If homosexuality were preventable should it be prevented".

I'm not here to explain to you the roles of the mother and father to the child, that's for a psychologist or someone who takes a deeper interest in human psychology than I do to explain to you.

[Waratah]

Waratah, you seem to be confused, so let me spell it out for you plainly.

The topic of this thread didn't interest me originally, I made a backhanded comment and then another one.

The topic of the thread is "If homosexuality were preventable should it be prevented".

I'm not here to explain to you the roles of the mother and father to the child, that's for a psychologist or someone who takes a deeper interest in human psychology than I do to explain to you.

It is true that I did not know that you were not interested in the thread, also your level of interest is irrelevant. Now I am fucking confused, what was your point, oh yeah trying to clear up my supposed confusion. Great job

The question was not the roles of the mother and father but the difference between the two. Plus there was other questions there.

I am glad that I was able to point out to you you error in your "backhanded comment" via some questions. Your avoidance of the questions shows me that "you can't handle the truth"

[Aractus]

Oh get over it and stop wasting my time.

[A Theist]

So what...gays have orgasms. That doesn't prove it's natural. It still defies natural physical biology.

...and you need to stop applying your own social ideology to things.

Unnatural = Defies natural physical biology, " that's a basic principle that simply rewriting does not change."

It's not a social ideology, it's basic observation of nature. Why when the truth is pointed out to you do you just close you eyes, shut your ears, and bleat the same crap over and over again?

Homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be a perfectly natural thing, and you saying "it defies physical biology" when I and others have consistently pointed out to you that it just bloody well doesn't, hasn't made the slightest dent in your stubborn refusal to see the truth.
What's more, "social definitions" are what you're doing, applying the "unnatural" label to something that is observed in nature.

Unnatural is us flying in a plane. Unnatural is us breathing underwater with scuba equipment. Unnatural is wearing a vest, getting shot, and surviving. Firing a gun is unnatural.
Gay sex is not unnatural. Do you see the difference?

Why when the truth is pointed out to you do you just close you eyes, shut your ears, and bleat the same crap over and over again?

Because the same crap you continue spew out isn't the truth...it's biological BS.

Homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be a perfectly natural thing,

Wrong. Homosexuality has yet to be scientifically proven to be natural. There's still an ongoing debate among scientists as to a whole range of causes for homosexuality...none of which has been proven conclusive.

What's more, "social definitions" are what you're doing, applying the "unnatural" label to something that is observed in nature.

No. It's not a social definition. It's a fact of physical biology...same gender sex is unnatural.

Unnatural is us flying in a plane. Unnatural is us breathing underwater with scuba equipment. Unnatural is wearing a vest, getting shot, and surviving. Firing a gun is unnatural.

Wrong. The one thing that humans have over all the other species is a highly developed and complex brain....To create and invent is natural to humans...The physical act of flight itself is unnatural to humans, but to create an airplane for flight is natural for us...the physical ability to breathe underwater is unnatural to humans...to create an apparatus for breathing underwater is also natural for us...

Gay sex is not unnatural.

The human body is not biologically constructed for same gender sex. Gay sex is unnatural.