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[The Grand Nudger]

"Aryan" is an unfortunate choice of terms (unless you're a linguist) what would a light complexion have to do with this? FFS.....the notion that aryans were some light skinned super race of successful invaders is pretty amusing. Where have you been getting your literature from, the 30's?

There is no evidence for any such invasion, the best we have is evidence of successive, small migrations of essentially nomadic peoples - over countless generations. I guess that doesn't bode well for door-to-door jesus, if the example you've attempted to leverage is little than a fantasy, eh? Find some other way to get your godman from a to b.

(for the record, do you like to imagine your hypothetical "jesus" as a pasty cracker as well?)

[Little Rik]

"Aryan" is an unfortunate choice of terms (unless you're a linguist) what would a light complexion have to do with this? FFS.....the notion that aryans were some light skinned super race of successful invaders is pretty amusing. Where have you been getting your literature from, the 30's?
There is no evidence for any such invasion, the best we have is evidence of successive, small migrations of essentially nomadic peoples - over countless generations. I guess that doesn't bode well for door-to-door jesus, if the example you've attempted to leverage is little than a fantasy, eh? Find some other way to get your godman from a to b.

There is ample evidence that the Aryan went to India or as it was known the great Indian subcontinent that goes from Afganistan, Pakistan to India and Bangladesh.
All you have to do is to click Aryans in india in any search engine and find hundreds of material.


http://www.facts-about-india.com/aryans-...n-india.ph

(for the record, do you like to imagine your hypothetical "jesus" as a pasty cracker as well?)

Things happened in the past may not be believed easily because they may be written by someone who had some interest in it and also may have been written and rewritten many times and every time something change, so it is difficult to know the truth.
I can not say with certainty what this person did or went.
All i rely is the previous reports, compare all and draw my conclusion.
If you got a better way to draw conclusions please let me know.
I will send you a pasty cracker as a reward.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Some expert () here reckon that it was impossible for Jesus to travel to India 2000 years ago.
3 or 4000 years ago from east europe and central Asia the Aryan invaded part of Indian subcontinent and settle there.

All the way from what is now Iran into what is now Pakistan and northwest India. Why do not see how that is even remotely the same thing? The post WWII name for Aryan is Indo-European. Indo refers to the Indus river in Pakistan. Gandhi declared splitting the land into Pakistan and India to be the greatest British crime. Oops. Northwest India has always been Aryan.

The original inhabitants of that region are quite dark so why about 1/3 of indian have fair complexion if not for the Aryans which had fair complexion?

I have come across several speculations about that but not found a single commonly accepted answer. But one has to first clarify something. Regardless of skin color Indians are Caucasians. That is one of the races of humans that science does recognize.

Anyway if the Aryan could travel so far 1500 years before Jesus then also Jesus could have travel that distance later on.

The latest theory of the migration of the Aryan language group is that it started some place in or around northern Macedonia towards the end of the ice age 12 to 15 thousand years ago. If you are getting your ideas from those URLs you need to start over using credible sources.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, I got deadlinked......which is a shame..because I was really looking forward to seeing some narrative about an aryan invasion-in 2013- on a page titled

"facts about india"

Would have made my day, ah well.

If this is a subject of interest for you beyond a justification for "travelling christ" then perhaps start here http://www.amazon.com/In-Search-Indo-Eur...0500276161 and move to here http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Introductio...0199296685 - I suggest this author not because this is his field or because I feel that his work is comprehensively authorative (though both apply)...but because as an author-he's approachable and competent. You could always just hit journals instead (though many cite both of these books in their papers). The author is actually the editor of just such a journal http://www.jies.org/.

-after all of the above, forgive me for not accepting your deadlink as an authority, especially when we have resources like these at our disposal. Just to be clear, door to door christ is unsalvagable without any of this, but certainly even more so if you want to point to indo-europeans.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

"Aryan" is an unfortunate choice of terms (unless you're a linguist) what would a light complexion have to do with this? FFS.....the notion that aryans were some light skinned super race of successful invaders is pretty amusing. Where have you been getting your literature from, the 30's?
There is no evidence for any such invasion, the best we have is evidence of successive, small migrations of essentially nomadic peoples - over countless generations. I guess that doesn't bode well for door-to-door jesus, if the example you've attempted to leverage is little than a fantasy, eh? Find some other way to get your godman from a to b.

There is ample evidence that the Aryan went to India or as it was known the great Indian subcontinent that goes from Afganistan, Pakistan to India and Bangladesh.
All you have to do is to click Aryans in india in any search engine and find hundreds of material.


http://www.facts-about-india.com/aryans-...n-india.ph

You have to add a p to the end as in .php

Anyway whois facts-about-india.com?


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An unknown individual in India. Not much to go on is it?

(for the record, do you like to imagine your hypothetical "jesus" as a pasty cracker as well?)

Things happened in the past may not be believed easily because they may be written by someone who had some interest in it and also may have been written and rewritten many times and every time something change, so it is difficult to know the truth.
I can not say with certainty what this person did or went.
All i rely is the previous reports, compare all and draw my conclusion.
If you got a better way to draw conclusions please let me know.
I will send you a pasty cracker as a reward.

Except of course these imaginary travels are based upon absolutely nothing written in the past. All of these claims have appeared in the last few centuries out of nowhere.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what really peturbs me, now that I think about it (what with pointing to IE) - is that perhaps unknowingly Enrico here has offered an example of how a language (and the narratives and stories often used to teach said language) can spread so comprehensively and so quickly -even in advance of the main body of the culture, and particularly in the absence of any significant and singular -event- like an invasion..or some christ being born - and still become absolutely dominant (at least linguistically) over a huge landmass. Not only does this example bode poorly for christ's jaunt along the country roads...but the entirety of the jesus narrative.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

You know what really peturbs me, now that I think about it (what with pointing to IE) - is that perhaps unknowingly Enrico here has offered an example of how a language (and the narratives and stories often used to teach said language) can spread so comprehensively and so quickly -even in advance of the main body of the culture, and particularly in the absence of any significant and singular -event- like an invasion..or some christ being born - and still become absolutely dominant (at least linguistically) over a huge landmass. Not only does this example bode poorly for christ's jaunt along the country roads...but the entirety of the jesus narrative.

The entire present day Jesus narrative is based upon four of the 46 gospels. Of the 42 rejected gospels the reason for rejection is known for only one of them.

Consider during the ice people did live as hunter-gatherers in the gaps between glaciers and along the edge of glaciers as well as the plains of Siberia. This suggests high moisture areas leading to forests. As the ice retreated the air would dry out and forests became grasslands. Grass seed became something to gather for food. Eventually the grasses became domesticated and farmers were born. But arkie finds of ancient grains for food shows the time between only a little domesticated to all domesticated took some four thousand years. By the time it was all domestic Mesopotamia had gone from grassland to arid but that was plenty of time to develop all kinds of farming and irrigation techniques for the river banks.

The concept of spreading the language group requires nothing more than for the excess children of farmers to move on when the parents do not have enough land to divide among all the children. When they move on bringing farming with them all they need do is have more children than the H-G territory they move into to cultivate new farmland. The parents' language spreads with their just as would a beneficial allele variation like losing skin pigment for temperate climate living. The farmers' kids and the H-G kids can intermarry but as long farming produces more food and more children H-G culture is going to die out.

It is no different from our western technological society being adopted by even the most primitive cultures around the world. They also adopt our words for the technology. Spreading Aryan words was the same thing. Of course westerners do not move there to outbreed them anymore as the whole world is too populous. Back when the language spread farmers took an insignificant amount of land compared to what H-G folks needed so actually moving was not an issue.

The Christian thing does follow this a bit. The early apologetics of the Christians focused on claiming their religion was the same as or very similar to the Roman religion. Which is not that hard to see when you consider the Romans had already incorporated Yahweh into their pantheon. He was bearded with curly ram's horns.



Miracle worker and god stories were merely templates. They were sort of fill in the blank things. It would be surprising, even a point in favor of truth, if there were significant differences between Jesus, Mithra and Apollonius of Tyana. For example, had Jesus said, the only real god does not want to be worshiped like the false gods, I might perhaps have second thoughts on atheism. (Of course I would rather he had said e=mc^2 but that is another discussion.)

Someone posted the inscription from Japan about the Jesus who learned there and returned there. That is a mix of Christianity and Islam -- someone else really died on the cross. The Japanese would probably have had contact with Islam first.

Anyway the point of how quickly an idea spread is not different from the spread of the latest twist on vampires. aBRAhaM Stoker's original is an amalgam of myths and legends from across Europe back to Roman times. Nothing prior to him had even a common name. They had only of the of characteristics, such as drinking blood, no reflection, shape shifting that he put into a single conception of vampires. None of the things he put into one story ever came to dominate and some had survived only as history.

But when he put them all together the book was an instant success. AND every place that had only one of those characteristics instantly claimed they had always had Bram Stoker vampires. Literally, We had shape shifters therefore we had Stoker vampires. And that is why Vlad the Impaler is so clearly not a Stoker vampire. In fact the closest connection is the name which comes from the Order of the Dragon -- of the Dracul.

People fit stereotypes. As in Holy Grail, I should know a messiah when I see one; I have followed enough of them.

[Free Thinker]

"Aryan" is an unfortunate choice of terms (unless you're a linguist) what would a light complexion have to do with this? FFS.....the notion that aryans were some light skinned super race of successful invaders is pretty amusing. Where have you been getting your literature from, the 30's?
There is no evidence for any such invasion, the best we have is evidence of successive, small migrations of essentially nomadic peoples - over countless generations. I guess that doesn't bode well for door-to-door jesus, if the example you've attempted to leverage is little than a fantasy, eh? Find some other way to get your godman from a to b.

There is ample evidence that the Aryan went to India or as it was known the great Indian subcontinent that goes from Afganistan, Pakistan to India and Bangladesh.
All you have to do is to click Aryans in india in any search engine and find hundreds of material.


http://www.facts-about-india.com/aryans-...n-india.ph

(for the record, do you like to imagine your hypothetical "jesus" as a pasty cracker as well?)

Things happened in the past may not be believed easily because they may be written by someone who had some interest in it and also may have been written and rewritten many times and every time something change, so it is difficult to know the truth.
I can not say with certainty what this person did or went.
All i rely is the previous reports, compare all and draw my conclusion.
If you got a better way to draw conclusions please let me know.
I will send you a pasty cracker as a reward.

I grew up in Pakistan and I was taught that fair-skinned Aryans from the North came in and "pushed" (which implies forced) dark-skinned dravidians to the South. Now there's no denying the colour difference between the fair-skinned and dark-skinned South Asians - but I have yet to come across any proof that the Aryans led any kind of ethnic cleansing. In fact, the current people (who are more beatish and less dark) seems to suggest to me that it wasn't some sort of ethnic cleansing - but more of a nomadic expansion and mixing of two cultures.

Then again - I would be definitely interested in some proof that the Aryans did indeed push/subjugate/cleanse the dravidians. If they tried, then they were pretty unsuccessful ...

[The Grand Nudger]

You wouldn't be the first person in history to be interested in such evidence....few decades back there was a mandate to find it...lol.
(couldn't help myself.....this might be the only post in the thread in which godwin-deded)

[Minimalist]

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1623744/re...ion-theory

In what could be a major setback to Dravidian parties in Tamil Nadu, an inter-continental research in cellular molecular biology has debunked the Aryan invasion theory.

In what could be a major setback to Dravidian parties in Tamil Nadu, an inter-continental research in cellular molecular biology has debunked the Aryan invasion theory.

“We have conclusively proved that there never existed any Aryans or Dravidians in the Indian sub continent. The Aryan-Dravidian classification was nothing but a misinformation campaign carried out by people with vested interests,” Prof Lalji Singh, vice-chancellor, Banaras Hindu University, told DNA.