Italian Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa on the crucifix in the schools

[myself]

hey,did anyone see "The Last Don"? That guy look just like the Sicilian hit man in that film.Like a large weasel with a moustache.. (also looks as if he needs a good scrub)

Yes, I saw...

[Rhage]

I never did get why the machine used to torture people to death was taken as a symbol for the faith.
They should have stuck with the fishes, much less divisive.

As Bill hicks said 'If jesus came back the last thing he'd want to see is a crucifix'

I have never, nor will I ever, understand this. To wear a murder weapon around your neck and believe it makes you closer to your god? Freaky.

I also never understood why so many religious folk purport that crucifixion was such a unique way for the J-Man to die. It was common practice, so he wasn't special in the regard either.

[Violet]

*edited, I accidently posted before I was done writing it >_<*

I never did get why the machine used to torture people to death was taken as a symbol for the faith.
They should have stuck with the fishes, much less divisive.

As Bill hicks said 'If jesus came back the last thing he'd want to see is a crucifix'

I have never, nor will I ever, understand this. To wear a murder torture weapon around your neck and believe it makes you closer to your god? Freaky.

I also never understood why so many religious folk purport that crucifixion was such a unique way for the J-Man to die. It was common practice, so he wasn't special in the regard either.

Fixed

Crucifixion is hardly an immediate process... most people hang on for <see chart for ~ how many days (in the shade) a person can probably live without water: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/h...out-water/ > before dehydration kills them. In the sunlight... it is much faster, and the skin might also suffer sunburns. So crucifixion rapidly depletes a person's hydration level... through constant exposure to the sun, without water.

In the Bible... the Romans supposedly nailed jesus' wrists and feet to the cross... so he would have been bleeding out most of his water as well, as water in his body was being rushed to remake the blood being lost. He had also been cut around the head by a 'crown of thorns' (and the body bleeds rather profusely from the head)... He was crucified with a mere two others on a hill (with no protection from the sun) in a hot middle-eastern country... so I think it is rather silly to think he survived three days. The bible also seems to think that he was sentenced without a court, which is just another ridiculous thing about this little story...

And I'm gonna go drink some more water now

[Rhage]

^^ Noted and agreed upon.

[Autumnlicious]

*edited, I accidently posted before I was done writing it >_<*

I never did get why the machine used to torture people to death was taken as a symbol for the faith.
They should have stuck with the fishes, much less divisive.

As Bill hicks said 'If jesus came back the last thing he'd want to see is a crucifix'

I have never, nor will I ever, understand this. To wear a murder torture weapon around your neck and believe it makes you closer to your god? Freaky.

I also never understood why so many religious folk purport that crucifixion was such a unique way for the J-Man to die. It was common practice, so he wasn't special in the regard either.

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Crucifixion is hardly an immediate process... most people hang on for <see chart for ~ how many days (in the shade) a person can probably live without water: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/h...out-water/ > before dehydration kills them. In the sunlight... it is much faster, and the skin might also suffer sunburns. So crucifixion rapidly depletes a person's hydration level... through constant exposure to the sun, without water.

In the Bible... the Romans supposedly nailed jesus' wrists and feet to the cross... so he would have been bleeding out most of his water as well, as water in his body was being rushed to remake the blood being lost. He had also been cut around the head by a 'crown of thorns' (and the body bleeds rather profusely from the head)... He was crucified with a mere two others on a hill (with no protection from the sun) in a hot middle-eastern country... so I think it is rather silly to think he survived three days. The bible also seems to think that he was sentenced without a court, which is just another ridiculous thing about this little story...

And I'm gonna go drink some more water now

Crucifixion, if the arms are at an angle between 60* and 70* of the vertical, will keep a person alive for a long period of time. However, it if is greater or less than, the pressure on the chest will rapidly exhaust the hyper expanded diaphragm and the convicted will suffocate.

Shock (including hypervolumic due to blood loss), blood loss, sepsis and fat and other embolisms can all contribute to an agonizing death on the cross. I think it is safer to say that Christ would've died from blood loss and sepsis than dehydration. The loss of blood pressure and lack of oxygen is far quicker to act that dehydration. And don't take time in the Bible too literally - I've noticed it is rather mutable.

And no - you cannot make blood that fast. It is more likely blood loss - all that water would've been absorbed to keep his blood plasma fluidic and the rest of him hydrated, but making blood to carry oxygen? No.

[1]http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=463638
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

[Violet]

And no - you cannot make blood that fast. It is more likely blood loss - all that water would've been absorbed to keep his blood plasma fluidic and the rest of him hydrated, but making blood to carry oxygen? No.

True that... /doh

as water in his body was being rushed to remake compensate for the blood being lost.

Wrong word alert

I think it is a combination of all of the factors... but in any case: referring to a torture device as a holy symbol is just plain retarded

[Autumnlicious]

as water in his body was being rushed to remake compensate for the blood being lost.

Wrong word alert

Still a wrong statement, but better. Water will not carry oxygen. In fact, adding in water to someone who has suffered from intensive blood loss can give them water toxicity - it must be very carefully moderated. Thats why we give plasma, because those that little bit of proteins and miscellaneous electrolytes keep the system stable. Still does not compensate for the ensuing asphyxia.

I think it is a combination of all of the factors... but in any case: referring to a torture device as a holy symbol is just plain retarded

Agreed. Wearing the symbol of ones god, like Thor, makes a little bit more sense. Only because he whacked giants with his hammer (Wow - that sounded sexual. ).

[Violet]

Water toxicity??? How does that work???

Talk about something that they never teach you in high school

[Autumnlicious]

Water toxicity??? How does that work???

Talk about something that they never teach you in high school

This guy explains it very well:
http://drbenkim.com/drink-too-much-water-dangerous.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

And no, I knew about this well before. It was, however, the quickest well written piece I could find that communicated my point.

Also, for even more fun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

Has anyone ever thought about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide??

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Crucified?! You lucky bastard!

Lucky? I'll say.

He could have had the fate of poor Prometheus. (liver eaten by an eagle every day then growing back every night)


People died on the cross from a range of causes. Apparently Jesus' three hours was not all that unusual.-----that's still a staggering length of time to be in that much agony.


[/quote]The length of time required to reach death could range from a matter of hours to a number of days, depending on exact methods, the prior health of the condemned, and environmental circumstances. Death could result from any combination of causes, including blood loss, hypovolemic shock, or sepsis following infection, caused by the scourging that preceded the crucifixion, or by the process of being nailed itself, or eventual dehydration.[27][28][quote]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifictio...e_of_death


It's my understanding that it's the Egyptians who had the distinction of inventing crucifiction.