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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 12:24 am
(May 15, 2013 at 9:49 pm)catfish Wrote: (May 15, 2013 at 9:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Dude, you really going to get pissy over a simple attribution error? This is worth getting your dander up?
Why don't you go back to just willfully misinterpreting that fish comment from a while back? I know how much that must soothe you...
Dude, is a zygote an individual human lifeform or not?
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I explained this to you months ago, so you're either too stupid to retain information, or a liar.
Which is it, catfish? Asshole, or imbecile?
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 12:42 am
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 1:19 am
(May 15, 2013 at 7:35 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Start a thread and lets talk about it 
Another thread on the Epicurean paradox? Run away!!!!!
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 3:04 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2013 at 3:10 am by fr0d0.)
That one's already been thoroughly defeated here. No need for more threads. They should be banned, together with mentioning it in your sig
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 4:03 am
(May 16, 2013 at 3:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: @ MissyC I don't get you sorry
She's talking about Christian portrayals in the media, I think.  We were having another conversation as she was looking up them videos, but I believe that's what she was getting at.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 8:10 am
Fr0d0, did you abandon our conversation?
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Re: RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2013 at 3:24 pm by fr0d0.)
I'm sorry no more I didn't realize I hadn't answered you
(May 15, 2013 at 8:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: Quote:You had to make those choices first.
The part I bolded is what I'm getting at. Why did we have to make the choices if god already knows the outcome regardless of whether we actually make those decisions or not?
Think about it from a pre-universe perspective as god is planning his creation. He decides he wants to create intelligent organisms that choose whether or not to spend eternity in his presence. But he already knows how it's going to play out, and who will choose him and who won't.
If life is a test, and god already knows how we will do on that test, what is the purpose of letting life play out.
Let me try another angle. God doesn't know the choice you make until you make it. Being god, timelessness one of his l33t skilz, no sooner has this infinitely complex soup flashed into existence from the snap of his fingers, than he can then flip this time span on its end and find us all hugging him together singing cumbiya.
Our purpose is this. This is his purpose for us. Minus us, there is simply minus us: no problem to consider.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm
(May 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Let me try another angle. God doesn't know the choice you make until you make it. Being god, timelessness one of his l33t skilz, no sooner has this infinitely complex soup flashed into existence from the snap of his fingers, than he can then flip this time span on its end and find us all hugging him together singing cumbiya.
So then your god is not omniscient then?
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Science being bound by time, yes.
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RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 16, 2013 at 5:36 pm
(May 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Let me try another angle. God doesn't know the choice you make until you make it. Being god, timelessness one of his l33t skilz, no sooner has this infinitely complex soup flashed into existence from the snap of his fingers, than he can then flip this time span on its end and find us all hugging him together singing cumbiya.
If God is timeless, how could something not exist at one point to him and then exist later? Shouldn't he have knowledge of all things bound by time regardless?
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