Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!

[Mystical]

Haughtiness (pride) is a sin, godschild. Didn't you know? Oh well carry on.
So babies get to forego the choice do they? We are all innocents born and then at what point do you assert that Adam and Eve's curse kicks in? Imagine how jilted you would feel.. having that Ultimate choice made for you? Finding out that all those who did have that experience got to earn their rewards and places of authority in heaven and you're just sitting in a corner not having witnessed life or gods authority at all, you just woke up one day with the knowledge that you must eternally praise god? Then you find out that god ordered you ripped from your mothers womb just to prevent you from choosing yourself and she's in hell. The one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime. Seems highly suspect if gods aiming for eternal
peace, for him to allow infinite non choosers.

Yes I know, it is you who have seemed to of forgotten that and that unforgiven sin will place one in hell, do not forget that part either.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

The age has no set limit, that would be unfair to the children wouldn't you think so? God knows when a child reaches a knowledge of evil, not just right from wrong, but the understanding of doing wrong and the consequences that go with it. The mentally handicapped are for the most part child like all their lives, so I guess it would be better to say it's a mental age not a physical age.

I see no reason why I should be concerned with where I would be for eternity if I had died as a child, heaven is a place of unimaginable joy, peace, love, caring and ect.... you do know that the angels will serve all the saints don't you. To live forever in the presence of God is an unimaginable experience of love, an experience that one day will be reality for me.

You used this phrase, "must eternally praise God," how about this, I will willingly eternally praise God because He is my righteous God that will love me for eternity.

My mom will be in heaven and I will spend eternity with her, just want you to get that straight. God does not order any baby aborted, that's a choice the mother who has no respect for life makes and yes that mother will be in hell for such an atrocity if she does not seek and ask for forgiveness through Christ. As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all. So as far as I see things from you, you have no idea what God wants from man whom He created, actually I do not know why you try to argue spiritual matters about God, it seems you're clueless. By the way what you exclaim as haughty pride could just be truth that you find revolting, which is your own problem and has nothing to do with me.

Hell threat # 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.1 that I've gotten since signing up for this ATHEIST forum. Thanks for that, I really needed to hear that I simply
could not go one more day without hearing about the magical destination of suffering that you--oh wise one--have concluded that I am going to.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

No, I believe that the decision isn't fit for anyone at any age. I've said this before, yeah. There is no choice. I can take as many routes to Downtown as I want, but I'll still end up Downtown because that's my destination. It's 'haughty' of you to consider yourself higher above the millions upon millions of other human beings who over time will be or have been sent to hell just so that you can go waltzing through life and make it to your own destination. According to you, I was put here to tempt you from believing in god and I'm going to hell, you to heaven, and our fates were already drawn out long before we were born.
It's prideful, yes, for you to tell me or anyone else--based on your version of reality--that we are going to hell.
Even if hell existed. Who are you to judge me?

I've served those grown adults with childlike minds and you know the commonality between them all? They wish they were dead, most of the time. They live their whole lives out suffering every second away, with just a moments worth of breath and happiness skewed out inbetween absolute living hell. One of them, who has the comprehension of a 3 yr old, has even scoffed at me when I told them Jesus loved them. I would too. Waking every day into a living nightmare then being lucky if you fall asleep to escape it is no life that I would attribute to any loving god whatsoever.

What's more, does a five year old who knows it's bad not to listen to your mommy know the consequences of disobeying her and sticking their hand in a boiling pot? No. How could they fathom the suffering and torment and injury that they are facing? Or, bigger question: how can you fathom that five year old going through that hell? I mean, they're old enough to choose if they know right from wrong, yes? So them burning their skin off while you watched them with a convicting look was their fault then? Gonna tell them that when they're in the hospital enduring a skin graft are you?
OK.
Not a single person at any age has the ability to choose correctly the eternal state of their soul, period. And any god that would assume otherwise is malicious.

As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all.

Well, I'm just the being he created predestined to go to hell, aren't I?

Unless you like to take the blame for the alteration to the 'perfect' system that he set up, and give it to us or the Devil? Who do you blame, willing servant of god? God created hell knowing eventually mankind would end up there, after all. God created mankind knowing we would eat the fruit and be fucked for all eternity, after all. He gave his son to die on the cross for sin then made a clause that we must worship him or go to hell eternally, after all.

Yes it's must. Hell yeah its must. If I were an unborn baby ripped from my mothers womb and put directly in heaven: all I'd need do is review the fact that there is a hell, and that god created it. If he knows everything the past and future, then he's a dick for making eternal existence as it is, and I would simply be a slave at that point. Even when I was a Christian I thought god was cruel for the mere existence of hell. As a matter of fact, that became a deal breaker for me. How do you reason away the suffering of millions squared infinitely, godschild?

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[Godscreated]

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Yes I know, it is you who have seemed to of forgotten that and that unforgiven sin will place one in hell, do not forget that part either.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

The age has no set limit, that would be unfair to the children wouldn't you think so? God knows when a child reaches a knowledge of evil, not just right from wrong, but the understanding of doing wrong and the consequences that go with it. The mentally handicapped are for the most part child like all their lives, so I guess it would be better to say it's a mental age not a physical age.

I see no reason why I should be concerned with where I would be for eternity if I had died as a child, heaven is a place of unimaginable joy, peace, love, caring and ect.... you do know that the angels will serve all the saints don't you. To live forever in the presence of God is an unimaginable experience of love, an experience that one day will be reality for me.

You used this phrase, "must eternally praise God," how about this, I will willingly eternally praise God because He is my righteous God that will love me for eternity.

My mom will be in heaven and I will spend eternity with her, just want you to get that straight. God does not order any baby aborted, that's a choice the mother who has no respect for life makes and yes that mother will be in hell for such an atrocity if she does not seek and ask for forgiveness through Christ. As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all. So as far as I see things from you, you have no idea what God wants from man whom He created, actually I do not know why you try to argue spiritual matters about God, it seems you're clueless. By the way what you exclaim as haughty pride could just be truth that you find revolting, which is your own problem and has nothing to do with me.

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Hell threat # 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.1 that I've gotten since signing up for this ATHEIST forum. Thanks for that, I really needed to hear that I simply
could not go one more day without hearing about the magical destination of suffering that you--oh wise one--have concluded that I am going to.

I never said you were going to hell, so you'll need to thank someone else. I have concluded nothing about your eternal destination, you have believed that for yourself apparently. You do seem to worry about the outcome, so it seems you are not completely sold on your thinking of God's judgement.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

No, I believe that the decision isn't fit for anyone at any age. I've said this before, yeah. There is no choice. I can take as many routes to Downtown as I want, but I'll still end up Downtown because that's my destination.

God says there is only one narrow road to heaven, and many to downtown hell, one should choose wisely the road traveled.

It's 'haughty' of you to consider yourself higher above the millions upon millions of other human beings who over time will be or have been sent to hell just so that you can go waltzing through life and make it to your own destination. According to you, I was put here to tempt you from believing in god and I'm going to hell, you to heaven, and our fates were already drawn out long before we were born.

On this I will call out liar, you need to prove I said I was better than anyone much less millions. What is it with you, you state things that I have not even thought of let lone post, you need to stick with what is actually said and leave your hate or whatever it is out of this. Just because others are going to hell does not mean I get to waltz through life, actually you have no idea what my life has been like, nor do you understand what it's like to live in a relationship with the living God. Predestination may be your view on life, but it's not mine, you know I find most people who are unhappy with their live's blame it on things like predestination or other things. You like the word haughty don't you, don't you think that might apply to what's in bold above. You give yourself to much credit, you couldn't tempt me into the simplest of things, you girl need to come to reality.

It's prideful, yes, for you to tell me or anyone else--based on your version of reality--that we are going to hell.
Even if hell existed. Who are you to judge me?

Again you need to show where I directly said you are going to end up in hell, you are putting words into your statements that I never said, that is dishonest at the best. Actually it seems you have appointed yourself as judge.

I've served those grown adults with childlike minds and you know the commonality between them all? They wish they were dead, most of the time. They live their whole lives out suffering every second away, with just a moments worth of breath and happiness skewed out inbetween absolute living hell. One of them, who has the comprehension of a 3 yr old, has even scoffed at me when I told them Jesus loved them. I would too. Waking every day into a living nightmare then being lucky if you fall asleep to escape it is no life that I would attribute to any loving god whatsoever.

I'm calling you out on this, you need to be truthful about others, my wife manages several homes for the mentally challenged, all adults, and they have great outlooks about their lives. So the only conclusion I can draw here is that it must be the way they are treated (and yes I have proof of this), my wife always treats her patients with the utmost Christian love. I know that some mentally challenged people act out at times it's part of what's going on in their brains and they can't help what they say. But for you to use a person that is that mentally challenged in an argument about Jesus is IMO pretty bad and inconsiderate.

What's more, does a five year old who knows it's bad not to listen to your mommy know the consequences of disobeying her and sticking their hand in a boiling pot? No. How could they fathom the suffering and torment and injury that they are facing? Or, bigger question: how can you fathom that five year old going through that hell? I mean, they're old enough to choose if they know right from wrong, yes? So them burning their skin off while you watched them with a convicting look was their fault then? Gonna tell them that when they're in the hospital enduring a skin graft are you?
OK.

I have no idea what you're trying to convey here, but if it's I'm cruel in some way, you deary are a dreadful person.

Not a single person at any age has the ability to choose correctly the eternal state of their soul, period. And any god that would assume otherwise is malicious.

What's your problem, I have the right to make decisions about myself regardless what you think, it is my God given right first and second it is a right given to me by this country. If you have problems about determining your future, that's your problem. You need to deal with that.

As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all.

Well, I'm just the being he created predestined to go to hell, aren't I?

No, and you can not prove differently through scripture and since that's the only place you can go to determine such have at it.

Unless you like to take the blame for the alteration to the 'perfect' system that he set up, and give it to us or the Devil? Who do you blame, willing servant of god? God created hell knowing eventually mankind would end up there, after all. God created mankind knowing we would eat the fruit and be fucked for all eternity, after all. He gave his son to die on the cross for sin then made a clause that we must worship him or go to hell eternally, after all.

If one goes to hell it's because of unforgiven sin, not in the way one worships. The rest of the crap you have stated is not worth answering.

[John V]

Hell threat # 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.1 that I've gotten since signing up for this ATHEIST forum.

This thread, like the vast majority of threads on hell on this ATHEIST forum, was started by an ATHEIST. You guys are the ones obsessed with it, not us.

[Mystical]

Yes I know, it is you who have seemed to of forgotten that and that unforgiven sin will place one in hell, do not forget that part either.

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I never said you were going to hell, so you'll need to thank someone else. I have concluded nothing about your eternal destination, you have believed that for yourself apparently. You do seem to worry about the outcome, so it seems you are not completely sold on your thinking of God's judgement.

Ah but you did, godschild. You assert that I have the 'pride sin' then extrapolate that into unrepentant sin, then tell me I've forgotten that unrepentant sin sends one to hell.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

No, I believe that the decision isn't fit for anyone at any age. I've said this before, yeah. There is no choice. I can take as many routes to Downtown as I want, but I'll still end up Downtown because that's my destination.

God says there is only one narrow road to heaven, and many to downtown hell, one should choose wisely the road traveled.

There you go aGain! There's only one road to heaven, its assumed that atheism is not that road and I'm not choosing wisely, therefore I'm going to hell. You need not say directly I'm going to hell to convey that message.

It's 'haughty' of you to consider yourself higher above the millions upon millions of other human beings who over time will be or have been sent to hell just so that you can go waltzing through life and make it to your own destination. According to you, I was put here to tempt you from believing in god and I'm going to hell, you to heaven, and our fates were already drawn out long before we were born.

On this I will call out liar, you need to prove I said I was better than anyone much less millions. What is it with you, you state things that I have not even thought of let lone post, you need to stick with what is actually said and leave your hate or whatever it is out of this. Just because others are going to hell does not mean I get to waltz through life, actually you have no idea what my life has been like, nor do you understand what it's like to live in a relationship with the living God. Predestination may be your view on life, but it's not mine, you know I find most people who are unhappy with their live's blame it on things like predestination or other things. You like the word haughty don't you, don't you think that might apply to what's in bold above. You give yourself to much credit, you couldn't tempt me into the simplest of things, you girl need to come to reality.

Its simple enough, I dont know why youre denying it. You claim predestination by default of claiming foreknowledge. Therefore all the unbelievers on this planet live and die and suffer in hell for eternity, so that god could have little old you as a forever companion. I did make a guesstimate as to how many that would be, but your own Bible states that there are far more who go to hell than not. I'm. Going to say this again, maybe it will stick. Foreknowledge has everything to do with predestination, especially when god is the maker of the destination, the maker of the traveler themselves, the maker of the tortuous path, and the arbiter of judgement and rules all in one. Are you really implying that I, an atheist, believe in predestination? No, I'm trying to reason with your unreasonable ass in the version of non reality that you've emersed yourself in.

It's prideful, yes, for you to tell me or anyone else--based on your. version of reality--that we are going to hell.
Even if hell existed. Who are you to judge me?

Again you need to show where I directly said you are going to end up in hell, you are putting words into your statements that I never said, that is dishonest at the best. Actually it seems you have appointed yourself as judge.

Reality is, you say it all the freaking time, godschild. And your unrepentant sin statement in this thread assumes I have unrepentant sin thus I'm going to hell since I don't believe in a god to repent to. At least own up to your hell comments if you're going to make them.

I've served those grown adults with childlike minds and you know the commonality between them all? They wish they were dead, most of the time. They live their whole lives out suffering every second away, with just a moments worth of breath and happiness skewed out inbetween absolute living hell. One of them, who has the comprehension of a 3 yr old, has even scoffed at me when I told them Jesus loved them. I would too. Waking every day into a living nightmare then being lucky if you fall asleep to escape it is no life that I would attribute to any loving god whatsoever.

I'm calling you out on this, you need to be truthful about others, my wife manages several homes for the mentally challenged, all adults, and they have great outlooks about their lives. So the only conclusion I can draw here is that it must be the way they are treated (and yes I have proof of this), my wife always treats her patients with the utmost Christian love. I know that some mentally challenged people act out at times it's part of what's going on in their brains and they can't help what they say. But for you to use a person that is that mentally challenged in an argument about Jesus is IMO pretty bad and inconsiderate.

Pretty assumptive thati m not being truthful there, careful. Just because your wife's patients are allowed a break from seizures and vomitting, choking on their own saliva, and incontinence, pain and confusion, medications, and suffering does not mean a goddamn thing. There are a plenty of violently ill and developmentally limited people just like the ones I've taken care of (well).

What's more, does a five year old who knows it's bad not to listen to your mommy know the consequences of disobeying her and sticking their hand in a boiling pot? No. How could they fathom the suffering and torment and injury that they are facing? Or, bigger question: how can you fathom that five year old going through that hell? I mean, they're old enough to choose if they know right from wrong, yes? So them burning their skin off while you watched them with a convicting look was their fault then? Gonna tell them that when they're in the hospital enduring a skin graft are you?
OK.

I have no idea what you're trying to convey here, but if it's I'm cruel in some way, you deary are a dreadful person.

I was making a comparison between what you would be doing in a real world situation if you were acting like your god.

Not a single person at any age has the ability to choose correctly the eternal state of their soul, period. And any god that would assume otherwise is malicious.

What's your problem, I have the right to make decisions about myself regardless what you think, it is my God given right first and second it is a right given to me by this country. If you have problems about determining your future, that's your problem. You need to deal with that.

Presumptive crap. Its my god given (and country given) right to believe your god is either a non existant or a malicious s prick. You got a problem with that, deal with it or hop your happy ass outta the kitchen.

[Angrboda]

Christ almighty, GC, even your signature is an implied threat that people who do not have faith [in God] are going to hell, meaning atheists.

I think there must be an intelligence test to become a Christian. Too high and you need a note from your doctor to be allowed to join.

[Raven]

I gotta tell you, GC - If I were doing the PR to promote religion I'd have you terminated with extreme prejudice. You are really doing a lousy job of it. But keep it up, dude. I need the laughs.

[Godscreated]

I gotta tell you, GC - If I were doing the PR to promote religion I'd have you terminated with extreme prejudice. You are really doing a lousy job of it. But keep it up, dude. I need the laughs.

Never was looking for your approval and do not need it or care what you think about me. Your self righteousness is unbecoming of you. Laugh on it doesn't matter to me.

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Christ almighty, GC, even your signature is an implied threat that people who do not have faith [in God] are going to hell, meaning atheists.

I think there must be an intelligence test to become a Christian. Too high and you need a note from your doctor to be allowed to join.

Maybe some years down the line 'missl' will see what you just stated, I point to anyone outside of God's family, I do not discriminate by gender, race or anything else. One that dies as an atheist will be spending eternity in hell, this is a reality that unbelief can not wipe away. I do not name a person nor point to a specific person, there is always time to change one's heart and mind. The problem is this, everyone who believes I am pointing a finger a them read their own lives into what is stated here, not just by me but by others also. It is one's own judgement on one's self, blame yourselves not the one who brings the word of God.

[Cyberman]

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Swedenborg describes hell in great detail. Since he presents his accounts in 18th century language, I've updated it for modern sensibilities. You can find all the sinful pleasures of earth in hell, just without any of the good that mitigates its filth and hurt on earth.

Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

So hell is where sinners go because they love nothing more than indulging themselves at the expense of everyone around them. And they cannot stop. They deny that God is good and despise the angles. The trample what is pure and mock what is holy. Why would such people even want to go to heaven?

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Right, so Swedeborg made that up, and... ?

I'm guessing that he did it with only one hand while his other one was busy.

[Godscreated]

@ missluckie26, I'm not going around in circles with you, I did not name you personally, however if it will please you I can. So if you missluckie26 continue on as you are you will spend eternity in hell, is that what you wanted to hear. Personally I think you are mentally off, I did not contribute to it, but you still want to blame me and others on this forum for your situation, you and you alone are responsible for your problems. Grow up and face them, be a responsible person.

[Raven]

GC said: One that dies as an atheist will be spending eternity in hell, this is a reality that unbelief can not wipe away.

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I spent 12 years in Catholic school.
So I'm covered.


That's the problem with you guys, your so smug about you got it all sewed up, even that handle you've given yourself. You remind me of this brother in high school - He had nothing to worry about, because he was "in the union". That was his way of putting it. He knew where he was going. Of course, according to him, you won't be going there, because you don't belong to the right denomination. Too bad.