(May 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Haughtiness (pride) is a sin, godschild. Didn't you know? Oh well carry on.
So babies get to forego the choice do they? We are all innocents born and then at what point do you assert that Adam and Eve's curse kicks in? Imagine how jilted you would feel.. having that Ultimate choice made for you? Finding out that all those who did have that experience got to earn their rewards and places of authority in heaven and you're just sitting in a corner not having witnessed life or gods authority at all, you just woke up one day with the knowledge that you must eternally praise god? Then you find out that god ordered you ripped from your mothers womb just to prevent you from choosing yourself and she's in hell. The one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime. Seems highly suspect if gods aiming for eternal
peace, for him to allow infinite non choosers.

Very, very well put.

(May 19, 2013 at 11:39 am)Raven Wrote: So, according to you it would be better if all the unborn kids got aborted because then they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. So what is with all the "Right to Life" crap?

If I may...one consistent theme of the Scriptures is that God can take human evil and turn it into good. For example, Joseph was betrayed by his brothers and sold into slavery. Yet, God took that the evil done to Joseph and he became adviser to the Pharaoh. Angels raise infants and the unborn in Heaven as compensation for the evil done to them on earth. Their state is most blessed. So is it better to have been murdered in the womb? I do not know. But I do know that Paul warns us not to sin just so that Grace can be more abundant. And when we do evil we defy Providence. We cannot know what good God hoped for the child on earth, how he or she could have served for His glory. If we justify to ourselves that abortion is somehow a win/win, then we arrogate unto ourselves the planning that belongs to God.

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(May 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: ...one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime.

Yes Godschild, they cannot seem to grasp the concept of people clinging to their sin and thereby preventing themselves from enjoying the blessings of Heaven. For those who still cannot get it, think of the Monkey Trap. It's a box with a hole in the side and an apple inside. The hole is big enough for the monkey to slip in his empty hand. But the hole is too small for him to remove his hand while holding the apple. The trapper comes along and captures the monkey, because the monkey was too greedy to let go of the apple and escape. Hell is a monkey trap, you cannot escape if you are unwilling to let go of your sin.

Swedenborg describes hell in great detail. Since he presents his accounts in 18th century language, I've updated it for modern sensibilities. You can find all the sinful pleasures of earth in hell, just without any of the good that mitigates its filth and hurt on earth.

Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

So hell is where sinners go because they love nothing more than indulging themselves at the expense of everyone around them. And they cannot stop. They deny that God is good and despise the angles. The trample what is pure and mock what is holy. Why would such people even want to go to heaven?

(May 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(May 19, 2013 at 11:39 am)Raven Wrote: So, according to you it would be better if all the unborn kids got aborted because then they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. So what is with all the "Right to Life" crap?

If I may...one consistent theme of the Scriptures is that God can take human evil and turn it into good. For example, Joseph was betrayed by his brothers and sold into slavery. Yet, God took that the evil done to Joseph and he became adviser to the Pharaoh. Angels raise infants and the unborn in Heaven as compensation for the evil done to them on earth. Their state is most blessed. So is it better to have been murdered in the womb? I do not know. But I do know that Paul warns us not to sin just so that Grace can be more abundant. And when we do evil we defy Providence. We cannot know what good God hoped for the child on earth, how he or she could have served for His glory. If we justify to ourselves that abortion is somehow a win/win, then we arrogate unto ourselves the planning that belongs to God.

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(May 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: ...one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime.

Yes Godschild, they cannot seem to grasp the concept of people clinging to their sin and thereby preventing themselves from enjoying the blessings of Heaven. For those who still cannot get it, think of the Monkey Trap. It's a box with a hole in the side and an apple inside. The hole is big enough for the monkey to slip in his empty hand. But the hole is too small for him to remove his hand while holding the apple. The trapper comes along and captures the monkey, because the monkey was too greedy to let go of the apple and escape. Hell is a monkey trap, you cannot escape if you are unwilling to let go of your sin.

Swedenborg describes hell in great detail. Since he presents his accounts in 18th century language, I've updated it for modern sensibilities. You can find all the sinful pleasures of earth in hell, just without any of the good that mitigates its filth and hurt on earth.

Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

So hell is where sinners go because they love nothing more than indulging themselves at the expense of everyone around them. And they cannot stop. They deny that God is good and despise the angles. The trample what is pure and mock what is holy. Why would such people even want to go to heaven?

Right, so Swedeborg made that up, and... ?

(May 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

Hell sounds a lot like Studio 54.

(May 19, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(May 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

Hell sounds a lot like Studio 54.

Sounds more like Detroit to me.

ETA: Actually, no, it sounds more like a William S. Burroughs novel. Mugwumps everywhere.

(May 19, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Sounds more like Detroit to me.

Didn't Obama bring some 'bacon' yet? LOL

The best advice I ever got about traveling to New Orleans was this. Never wear open toe shoes on Bourbon Street. Kinda what I had in mind.

(May 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: ...one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime.

Chad Wooters Wrote:Yes Godschild, they cannot seem to grasp the concept of people clinging to their sin and thereby preventing themselves from enjoying the blessings of Heaven. For those who still cannot get it, think of the Monkey Trap. It's a box with a hole in the side and an apple inside. The hole is big enough for the monkey to slip in his empty hand. But the hole is too small for him to remove his hand while holding the apple. The trapper comes along and captures the monkey, because the monkey was too greedy to let go of the apple and escape. Hell is a monkey trap, you cannot escape if you are unwilling to let go of your sin.

Swedenborg describes hell in great detail. Since he presents his accounts in 18th century language, I've updated it for modern sensibilities. You can find all the sinful pleasures of earth in hell, just without any of the good that mitigates its filth and hurt on earth.

Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

So hell is where sinners go because they love nothing more than indulging themselves at the expense of everyone around them. And they cannot stop. They deny that God is good and despise the angles. The trample what is pure and mock what is holy. Why would such people even want to go to heaven?

So, just to be clear here: You have no reply to what I said, take a part of my quote about a woman who died for you and quote it for an unknown reason, then talk about cum-soaked streets and ass rape as something we monkeys can't give up?

Interesting.

(May 19, 2013 at 11:39 am)Raven Wrote:

Quote:Godschild said:The unborn and children up to a certain age will be in heaven and because they have not been vile they will welcome their finial destination.

So, according to you it would be better if all the unborn kids got aborted because then they would be guaranteed a place in heaven. So what is with all the "Right to Life" crap?

All are created to have a choice, it's God's plan. Those who have their choices ripped from them by people who see no sanctity in human life through abortion are rewarded with eternal life, being a sinless creation they would not want hell. Your line of thinking is warped by the hatred you have for God. Abortion is nothing less than murder, I do not condone murder, so no abortion is not better it's an outrage. You do know people are still going to prison for killing unborn children, right.

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(May 19, 2013 at 11:38 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: I never thought that it was actually possible to hate somebody posting on the internet. But godschild, I hate you, and I really, really, really mean it, you absolute fucking testicle.

Here's how it'll end for you - you'll die, and nothing will happen. MASSIVE shame.

You think that bothers me, yes you do or you would not have mentioned it, it is your right to do so, however it is meaningless to me. It does not matter to me, I did not come here to win popularity nor your approval, so your hate for me is a burden that is all your's. As far as what physical death brings, you're wrong and in the end you will see that there is no end to life.

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(May 19, 2013 at 11:57 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(May 19, 2013 at 9:58 am)Godschild Wrote:

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If you want to hear different things then jump up and make new statements, we get tired of having to repeat the same things. If you would listen once in a while instead of telling us what we're suppose to believe we might not have to repeat things, when one has to repeat ones self generally means the others do not care to learn anything. With that said and the way things go around here I expect to be repeating the same things for a long time, how unfortunate.
The unborn and children up to a certain age will be in heaven and because they have not been vile they will welcome their finial destination.
Let me repeat myself once again, hopefully this time it will stick, foreknowledge has nothing to do with predestination, I mean really is it so hard to understand, NO. You guys just want things to argue about knowing you're wrong, I for one do not believe you guys could be that stupid, at least I hope not.

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Wow. It's a good thing God doesn't exist, because with thoughts like that you'd go straight to hell.

So truth makes you feel that bad,huh. Let's try some thing here though I'm sure you will find a reason to decline, non believers always do. Go to the scriptures and show me what it was I said in the above that brought you to your judgement of myself. The scriptures are the defining judgement on man, so there's no other place to go.

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(May 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Haughtiness (pride) is a sin, godschild. Didn't you know? Oh well carry on.
So babies get to forego the choice do they? We are all innocents born and then at what point do you assert that Adam and Eve's curse kicks in? Imagine how jilted you would feel.. having that Ultimate choice made for you? Finding out that all those who did have that experience got to earn their rewards and places of authority in heaven and you're just sitting in a corner not having witnessed life or gods authority at all, you just woke up one day with the knowledge that you must eternally praise god? Then you find out that god ordered you ripped from your mothers womb just to prevent you from choosing yourself and she's in hell. The one woman who actually died for you is in eternal torment for a finite crime. Seems highly suspect if gods aiming for eternal
peace, for him to allow infinite non choosers.

Yes I know, it is you who have seemed to of forgotten that and that unforgiven sin will place one in hell, do not forget that part either.

What, you believe children have the proper knowledge to make that type of life changing decision?

The age has no set limit, that would be unfair to the children wouldn't you think so? God knows when a child reaches a knowledge of evil, not just right from wrong, but the understanding of doing wrong and the consequences that go with it. The mentally handicapped are for the most part child like all their lives, so I guess it would be better to say it's a mental age not a physical age.

I see no reason why I should be concerned with where I would be for eternity if I had died as a child, heaven is a place of unimaginable joy, peace, love, caring and ect.... you do know that the angels will serve all the saints don't you. To live forever in the presence of God is an unimaginable experience of love, an experience that one day will be reality for me.

You used this phrase, "must eternally praise God," how about this, I will willingly eternally praise God because He is my righteous God that will love me for eternity.

My mom will be in heaven and I will spend eternity with her, just want you to get that straight. God does not order any baby aborted, that's a choice the mother who has no respect for life makes and yes that mother will be in hell for such an atrocity if she does not seek and ask for forgiveness through Christ. As far as what God's plans are who are you to judge the judge of all. So as far as I see things from you, you have no idea what God wants from man whom He created, actually I do not know why you try to argue spiritual matters about God, it seems you're clueless. By the way what you exclaim as haughty pride could just be truth that you find revolting, which is your own problem and has nothing to do with me.

ChadWooters Wrote: Hell is filled with beer volcanoes and rave parties where gloutenous slobs and cheap tramps dance naked in a thick stiffling haze of second-hand smoke. Drunkards stumble through the street pissing and vomiting. Your buddies leave you in the street and write insults on your face with permanent marker. Cum-soaked whores fuck till their cunts are nothing but painful raw sores. Sweaty bathhouses are crowded with sodomites. Players gag willing sluts with their cocks and ass-rape them when they pass out. Everyone lies to each other to get what they want. Slick studs make promises to protect you but discard you to rape gangs. Elegant ladies take you home only to rob you while you sleep. The streets are filled with shit, piss, cum, vomit, the maggoty bones of discarded buffalo wings.

As if I didn't have enough reason to be an atheist already! You had me sold on beer volcanoes. Lose the creepy rape stuff though.

Look, if this version of hell is only lacking the presence of the "holiness" of the god of the Bible, you can count me all in. The monster Yahweh has committed atrocities in that book that dictators only dream of, so why should I tolerate him being in my presence? I'll take my beers and raves, thank you.