God said this...God said that......

[Esquilax]

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.

As weird as it feels to be stepping up for Godschild, I have to take issue with some of the sentiment expressed here. It may be that without the threats of hell, the cajoling and negativity, that more people would believe in god... but they would be doing so for bad reasons. The overall positivity of a message doesn't say anything about how true it is; removing the barriers to wholesale belief in god isn't the same as being rationally justified in doing so. You'd need positive evidence for that.

Beyond that, why should we be taking your word about hell and dogma? I mean, there's tons of religions that disagree with each other, and with you; how do we tell which has the truth?

[Little Rik]

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.

As weird as it feels to be stepping up for Godschild, I have to take issue with some of the sentiment expressed here. It may be that without the threats of hell, the cajoling and negativity, that more people would believe in god... but they would be doing so for bad reasons. The overall positivity of a message doesn't say anything about how true it is; removing the barriers to wholesale belief in god isn't the same as being rationally justified in doing so. You'd need positive evidence for that.

Beyond that, why should we be taking your word about hell and dogma? I mean, there's tons of religions that disagree with each other, and with you; how do we tell which has the truth?

Religions expect the manna from the sky (God).
One typical prayer like the the paternoster ask God for the daily bread.
Why would a person ask God for bread?
Is God so stupid that he does not know that people need to eat?
Religion lost the plot that is why they live in a dream land as far as spirituality is concern.
It is when you take the false truth out of the equation that you can see the positive evidence.

[Godscreated]

.......My position is secure, no problem there.

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.

Are you one of those who doesn't study the Bible, let lone read it.

[Little Rik]

I wish you would understand what damage you causing.
If people like you would not have invented so many bad news like hell and all other dogmas there would be a lot more people believing in God.
You should really stop to procrastinate these false truth at once.
If you really think that you are correct you should prove that God ever said this or that.

Are you one of those who doesn't study the Bible, let lone read it.

Actually when i was young and my parents push me to go to church i have been indoctrinated into all religious dogmas from the bible.
It took me quite sometime to realize the difference between a dogma and a truth.
I believe that Jesus was a great spiritual being but to say that he was send by God to save the humanity that is a lot of rubbish.
I already asked you to explain how it is possible for those who born before Jesus to be saved, and those who never heard of him or those who are unable to change religion like a muslim where conversion is dealt often with death but you came up with nothing that make any sense at all.
Now tell me............i do not believe in Jesus as the only savior but i worked my guts out all my life, i grew up two beautiful kids with my wife, i donate to charity, do you still think i will go to hell?

[Ryantology]

Explain how something a man can not possibly do be of any consequence, if you believe it can then you have completely deluded yourself.

All we're doing is comparing fictional characters. It is all of no consequence.

Sorry pal that's what you said, I stated it was impossible for the boss to create, like I said you need to read what I post not what you think I posted.

You implied that if the boss had that power, then there would be nothing morally wrong with the boss inflicting whatever sort of punishments he wants, for whatever reason he wants. Because, this is precisely what you think of your boss, is it not?

You must be crazy, I said Satan took advantage of Adam and Eve, the same as the crime boss did the store owner.

They were being taken advantage of by God by being entrapped. In fact, what reason do I have to think that the serpent was not God trying to test them?

You are being fooled if you think Satan is not responsible for a great deal of the evil in the world.

Said the Nazis about the Jews.

We are told that Satan is so evil only the power of God holds him back from destroying the human race.

Of course you are told that. It's propaganda. Again, look to recent history for exact parallels.

Since you agree that what you said not a righteous act then what do you think my answer would be. It was a ridiculous question, sensible questions will be answered.

So, you are admitting that your god frequently engages in activities which are not righteous? This is not about my opinion. This is about whether you think that every act of God is good and righteous, no matter what it is, and your justification for your belief.

But if I was, But if I was, But if I was, you ain't and never will be so why bring it up. God can not do what ever He wants, if He did something sinful He would no longer be the God worshiped by Christians, and in actuality it is impossible for God to do anything outside His righteous self.

1. Killing is a sin, according to God
2. God killed millions of people in the Bible
3. God sinned

What now, you want me to answer without an explanation. I suppose to do it your way or no way, you need to get real.
Any action God takes goes through His love and righteous judgement. I accept what God determines, He is omniscient He does know what's best.

Killing millions of innocents, as punishment for sins they cannot possibly have committed, is expressive of love and righteous judgement? Explain why you believe this.

You have very few relevant questions, mostly childish tripe, grow up and start using relevant statements and/or questions. I'm tired of going through this nonsense of, but if or but if I.

The problem is not the questions I ask. The problem is that you lack integrity to answer them honestly.

[Godscreated]

Are you one of those who doesn't study the Bible, let lone read it.

Actually when i was young and my parents push me to go to church i have been indoctrinated into all religious dogmas from the bible.
It took me quite sometime to realize the difference between a dogma and a truth.
I believe that Jesus was a great spiritual being but to say that he was send by God to save the humanity that is a lot of rubbish.
I already asked you to explain how it is possible for those who born before Jesus to be saved, and those who never heard of him or those who are unable to change religion like a muslim where conversion is dealt often with death but you came up with nothing that make any sense at all.
Now tell me............i do not believe in Jesus as the only savior but i worked my guts out all my life, i grew up two beautiful kids with my wife, i donate to charity, do you still think i will go to hell?

If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you will live your eternal life in hell. The great spiritual leader you mentioned above said so, since you see Him as a great spiritual leader, why do you believe He lied about who He is.

[pocaracas]

This'll be fun to watch!

[The Grand Nudger]

If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you will live your eternal life in hell.

"Call me on my bullshit and you'll go to hell"

Go fuck yourself.

[Godscreated]

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Explain how something a man can not possibly do be of any consequence, if you believe it can then you have completely deluded yourself.

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All we're doing is comparing fictional characters. It is all of no consequence.

My God is not a fictional character. Your use of the fictional crime boss is a crime.

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Sorry pal that's what you said, I stated it was impossible for the boss to create, like I said you need to read what I post not what you think I posted.

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You implied that if the boss had that power, then there would be nothing morally wrong with the boss inflicting whatever sort of punishments he wants, for whatever reason he wants. Because, this is precisely what you think of your boss, is it not?

Your crime boss has no power to do that, you were the one who brought the crime boss into this and assumed he had the power. You were the one who said the crime boss would be morally correct, it was myself who said your crime boss was not capable of such powers and the argument from the crime boss was nothing short of stupid.

You must be crazy, I said Satan took advantage of Adam and Eve, the same as the crime boss did the store owner.

They were being taken advantage of by God by being entrapped. In fact, what reason do I have to think that the serpent was not God trying to test them?

They were tempted by Satan and scripture tells us God never tempts anyone. You can reason anything your little brain can come up with, want change a thing.

You are being fooled if you think Satan is not responsible for a great deal of the evil in the world.

Said the Nazis about the Jews.

As a matter of fact many Nazis were against the jailing and treatment of the Jewish people. You couldn't come up with a responsible answer if your life depended on it.

We are told that Satan is so evil only the power of God holds him back from destroying the human race.

Of course you are told that. It's propaganda. Again, look to recent history for exact parallels.

It is from scripture, I thought you said you knew the scriptures. When I look at the great evils in history I see Satan written all over it.

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Since you agree that what you said not a righteous act then what do you think my answer would be. It was a ridiculous question, sensible questions will be answered.

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So, you are admitting that your god frequently engages in activities which are not righteous? This is not about my opinion. This is about whether you think that every act of God is good and righteous, no matter what it is, and your justification for your belief.

No, I did not say that and you know it, so why are you trying to make it look like I said that, you're being dishonest. I gave you an answer to that question, didn't you like what I said, well of coarse not, it goes against your beliefs.

But if I was, But if I was, But if I was, you ain't and never will be so why bring it up. God can not do what ever He wants, if He did something sinful He would no longer be the God worshiped by Christians, and in actuality it is impossible for God to do anything outside His righteous self.

1. Killing is a sin, according to God
2. God killed millions of people in the Bible
3. God sinned

Murder is a sin according to God and, that commandment you'll want to toss out, God gave to man not to Himself, God takes life only after judgement through His righteous nature. Scripture says God can not sin, just how hard is this to understand.

What now, you want me to answer without an explanation. I suppose to do it your way or no way, you need to get real.
Any action God takes goes through His love and righteous judgement. I accept what God determines, He is omniscient He does know what's best.

Killing millions of innocents, as punishment for sins they cannot possibly have committed, is expressive of love and righteous judgement? Explain why you believe this.

God did not kill millions of innocent people. You need to bring proof of your statement, of those who died how do you know what sins they did or did not commit, please be specific on this so we can determine if they were sins or not.

You have very few relevant questions, mostly childish tripe, grow up and start using relevant statements and/or questions. I'm tired of going through this nonsense of, but if or but if I.

The problem is not the questions I ask. The problem is that you lack integrity to answer them honestly.

Like I said your tripe is worthless, I will answer relevant questions, of coarse I did answer some ridiculous ones this time.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think, at this point, it's safe to conclude that you realize the problem you created for yourself with your statement. Other christians don't find this sentiment to be so tricky GC, perhaps you should look into joining Drich's cult?