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Pro-Birth vs Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe  RE: Pro-Birth vs Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice
June 10, 2013 at 3:18 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2013 at 3:20 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(June 10, 2013 at 3:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(June 10, 2013 at 3:06 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Unlike the religious who like to kill a child slowly through starvation and abuse and call it love, eh fr0d0? What; that a poor woman with no means of supporting herself, no home, no family and pregnant should be able to choose if she wants to abort the pregnancy? FUCK YEAH! It SHOULD BE LAW! "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
And the government should willingly pay for the abortion in that case.
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Pro-Birth vs Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice
June 10, 2013 at 3:24 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2013 at 3:26 am by fr0d0.)
Sorry Kitchie, I'm pro choice. You we're talking about all poor people who should be denied choice because that's "starvation and abuse".
I'm not prepared to play god like you guys.
No fr0d0
Read it again dearie "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
 (June 10, 2013 at 3:26 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:(June 10, 2013 at 3:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry Kitchie, I'm pro choice. You we're talking about all poor people who should be denied choice because that's "starvation and abuse".What in the name of Lister are you talking about? It's OK Nora, fr0d0s is just trying to pick a fight again. He isn't very quick on the uptake of sarcasm. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: Pro-Birth vs Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice
June 10, 2013 at 3:30 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2013 at 3:38 am by fr0d0.)
(June 10, 2013 at 3:26 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No fr0d0 Read me again. I'm pro choice. Religion has nothing to do with my stated position here. I know you're desperate for that scapegoat to hang this on. (June 10, 2013 at 3:06 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Unlike the religious who like to kill a child slowly through starvation and abuse and call it love, eh fr0d0? Why are you saying this to me? You're attacking "religion" that you somehow conflate with anti choice/ pro life. My stated position is pro choice where the choice to abort is always the choice to terminate a human being. I just think that there's never a point where you can skip that responsibility. Is that hurting you? 
What intrigues me always with this discussion is that if you genuinely believe in an all powerful deity (God) then you have to conclude that God is the biggest aborter there ever was.
Of course we use a different name for it when God does it - we call it a miscarriage - but the fact remains. 
I'm pro-choice. I'm also pro-birth in the sense that a woman's reproductive choices shouldn't be limited to termination or carrying a pregnancy to term. This includes, but is not limited to, refusing or demanding a c-section, refusing an episiotomy, and demanding a VBAC. These are choices that are often handed over to doctors when women are in labor, but women need to make informed decisions when it comes to their bodies, future fertility, and sexual functioning, which doesn't always happen.
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