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In a world without God...
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 (June 16, 2013 at 11:45 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Other version is chaotic, random movements of chemicals. Justice is as "magic" as God. You can't separate them.Ummm, to start with, chemicals don't "move" randomly or chaotically. Everything you see is based off of very structured and ordered forms of chemicals.  (June 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm)LostLocke Wrote:I mean actions and events in peoples life are random and chaotic if you believe that there is no God. But you pointed out that chemicals function by perfect order which doesn't adds up whit big bang theorie. Big bang(chaos) gave life to chemicals that function by perfect order.(June 16, 2013 at 11:45 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Other version is chaotic, random movements of chemicals. Justice is as "magic" as God. You can't separate them.Ummm, to start with, chemicals don't "move" randomly or chaotically. Maybe from order to chaos instead of chaos to order?  Quote:if you believe that there is no God. There seems to be no god regardless of what you believe.  RE: In a world without God...
June 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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(June 16, 2013 at 11:45 am)purplepurpose Wrote:(June 16, 2013 at 9:56 am)orogenicman Wrote: More nonsense.Why nosense? For soulless chemicals there is no such things as good, bad or "justice of fate". Those things only possible theoretically whit God who would sustain and control our fate/karma. Even more nonsense. (June 16, 2013 at 1:12 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:(June 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Ummm, to start with, chemicals don't "move" randomly or chaotically.I mean actions and events in peoples life are random and chaotic if you believe that there is no God. But you pointed out that chemicals function by perfect order which doesn't adds up whit big bang theorie. Big bang(chaos) gave life to chemicals that function by perfect order. Perhaps you should read up on the laws of thermodynamics before you post more nonsense.
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You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
 RE: In a world without God...
June 17, 2013 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2013 at 11:57 am by Drich.)
(June 15, 2013 at 11:11 am)Faith No More Wrote: Apparently, you missed the point. Sure, god is not taking anything, but there are negative consequences for not accepting this so-called gift.wouldn't there be negitive consenquences to not takeing the 100 million the lady offered? What if you were about to loose your house, and you did not take the money on the terms she gave? Is it her fault that you ignored the money she offered and decided to deal with the consenquences? Quote:Considering he is the omnipotent creator that is responsible for the existence of these negative consequences,So what? He is also the Author of the gift that when accepted is is more than enough than to cover what is owed. Quote: he is presenting a situation of "accept this or be punished." That is not a gift. It is a threat.No the threat is made when one does not live by the law. Redemption is found when we admit we have not lived by the law and accept the attonement offered. The choice is we can either except what is offered or we can reject it. Quote:And yes, we face the consequences of our actions, however, we are not in control of what those consequences entail.That's what makes them consenquences. If I drank myself stupid and drove myself home and ran over a family of 4, do you think I would have any control of the consenquences of my actions? My control stops at the acts I decide to do. My control ended when I decided to drive drunk. In the same way your control ends when you sin. It's like jumping out a window you control ends at the decision to leave the window, everything that follows is a consenquence of your action. Quote: Supposedly, your god is, and being omnipotent, he bears the responsibility for creating negative consequences for not accepting his "gift." If I put a gun to someone's head and tell them based on their actions I will either shoot them or give them a million dollars, I can't then claim that they bear the responsibility for the consequences of the choice they make. I am responsible for putting them in the situation, so I bear responsibility for the consequences of the choice I am forcing them to make. IF You make it to the void of Hell (Lack of or emptyness of Creation) then maybe you will have the very same oppertunity to call out of the nothingness and create as God did. Then you will be free to create anyway you see fit... All you will need is the ablity to create something out of nothingness. (Meaning God does not have to be fair in your eyes, His creation His rules.) (June 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm)shoestring Wrote: Because the universe does not differentiate between good people and bad people. Why? (June 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: No God>no law, rules >no "good" or "bad" people> just people. Everything happens randomly and chaotic.Why? Quote:"Good" person commuted crime in previous incarnations and tastes results of those actions in this life. A kid(consciousness/soul in young body) done horrible things in previous incarnations and now he suffers the consequences in form of cancer.I have no Idea what you are talking about? Quote:Once again if no God and karma then you endup whit human body(bag of chemicals) that experiences random shit and words like good, bad, innocent, love, happiness are baseless.?????? (June 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm)shoestring Wrote:(June 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Drich Wrote: Why do bad things happen to good people? Why do children get cancer? Why do bad people always seem to thrive? How do you know what Xerxes intent was? The 300 lashes he gave to the sea may not have been away to blame anyone, but a way of trying to save face, or perserve an image. As a leader of men sometimes one is expected to react or perform a certain way, and inorder to maintain a given level of respect that makes leadership possiable one may have to do things that seem foolish to him to do inorder to placate those who look up to him. 
Always worth seeing that again. Humorous that our resident theists cannot ever see what they really look like.
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=6H9BuxeNr...re=related
This one is good as well!
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