Try God...

[Godscreated]

Christians professionals in mental health have great success with their patience.

*Patients.
Irrelevant. If you actually read what I wrote, I said “Personally”, I.E if it were me, I would not want someone treating a mental health condition who is suffering from delusions of a invisible friend.

Have patience with my spelling and word usage, please.
What's the difference to me, I was only stating that Christian mental health professionals were very successful in treating mental illness.

What i believe in is not stone age as you would believe, it is eternal and it comes from the eternal God of creation. The Bible is a study book given to us to aide in our lives. You have no such help in life, only what you perceive as right, even if it's detrimental to others.

It comes from a book mate, that’s the only part of your crap that’s provable. Simple as that.
Despite the, probably, billions of xaitains that have lived over the last 2000 years, not one of you have ever been able to provide a single shred of actual proof that this “god of creation” exists.


Also, you are correct. I have no such “help” in my life. The difference I would use the word “delusion”.

That's the whole idea isn't it, faith. Have you ever seen in scriptures anything but faith in the unseen God, I haven't. You have a delusion you are free from the judgement of the God of creation, that delusion is a very dangerous one.

[Creed of Heresy]

Godschild: Can ya prove that last statement? About us suffering a delusion that we are free blahblah? Please provide empirical evidence. Otherwise do not make claims that cannot be asserted, or I will start doing the same to you and I can almost promise that you will find it very annoying.

[AnunZi]

That's the whole idea isn't it, faith. Have you ever seen in scriptures anything but faith in the unseen God, I haven't. You have a delusion you are free from the judgement of the God of creation, that delusion is a very dangerous one.

I'm not the one suffering from delusions here kiddo. Believing in something that cannot be proven to exist is dangerous, not the other way round. I don’t believe in Spiderman (I know, shoot me), I Don’t believe in the tooth fairy and I don’t believe in any god/gods.

As to faith, I find the very notion that “faith” is a good thing inherently offensive. The thought that blindly believing in something so abstract, so hazy that even its proponents cannot agree on it is just so utterly absurd, its an offence to the intellect of our species.

[Faith No More]

Bragging how superior you are. You can say anything about people, you need to show proof of your statement. I assume the score your keeping is the number of mentally ill, and that you have counted yourself first, quite brave of you. You like the others believe my intentions are to convert one of your own. Well that is between God and k2490.

I am superior only in the sense that I understand that pushing religious beliefs on the weak and vulnerable is unethical. You may think that your intentions are not to convert someone, but advocating your god to someone with mental health issues says otherwise.

[Esquilax]

Nothing is "absolute" except: God, death, taxes; and NOT getting a message across to you guys!

Why not try transmitting a message with some actual content? It might help; so far your message has just been varying shades of "I'm right!" over and over.

What do you need for validation? Would life itself be enough? Its enough for me!

Life is proof of life. Nothing else entails.

All I get is the million different shades of reasoning from atheists. It's interesting when presented with any kink in the atheist armor the pat answer is..."well we all have different views on atheism." That sounds more like a cop-out. Or agnostic reasoning.

And it's not the same with christians? I can't go out and find a million different interpretations of the bible, the religion, everything? The difference is that when presented with a difference of opinion, the atheist is honest and just accepts that we won't all agree on everything. You guys so often just dismiss any other viewpoints, assert that yours is right, and... that's it.

Don't pretend like your side is so unified, dude.

So, I'm still held to some standard of [exact science] and reasoning for my experiences about God. But, you and/or others get to waffle around the place!

If you want to prove something to be an objective fact... yeah, you will be held accountable to proving that it exists. Sorry, that's just the way claims work. Now, without any form of example it's hard to really respond to this, but since atheism isn't making a truth claim, only a belief one, then we aren't required to provide proof. Unless you want us to prove that we don't believe in a god?

Meanwhile, you're claiming that god does exist, and that you know it. Not just that you believe it. Claims to knowledge require evidence: if you can't show it, you don't know it, to quote Aronra.

I will continue to say that some things about God and religion are self-evident. Some are "spiritual reasoning" in the process of moving toward God.

And you will continue to be wrong.

But you wouldn't have any clue about spiritual reasoning. You wouldn't know where to begin. So ridicule is the order of the day.

Good. "Spiritual reasoning" is just a nicer way of saying "unsubstantiated, loudly asserted nothings."

Also note that I didn't once resort to ridicule, I just asked what makes you so sure of your position.

It always comes to this around here. Because this isn't about "finding" God. It's about tearing Him down... using whatever method is handy.

Perhaps your bible writers should have constructed a better fictional canon for their main character. As it stands, the whole thing is riddled with inconsistencies.

Better yet, perhaps you apologists could construct some decent arguments. Pointing out the inconsistencies in the shit you spout isn't the same as an unprovoked attack.

I keep thinking the religious fundamentalists are correct. Just throw scripture at you. And hit you with fire and brimstone! Why do I try to reason a path to God using simple terms, and personal example. It's just not worth the efforts. Its really a slighting of God, and His divine power. And my personal witnessing only goes to waste.

Once again, personal experience isn't evidence.

There is only one way to God. Jesus Christ! IF you ..."seek, you will find. Ask, and it will be given to you."

Read: "If you just bought into this stuff, you would buy into this stuff!"

How this for an "absolute"? In earnest sincerity "ask"! Guaranteed you will get an answer! But alas, you won't! You would rather ask how I can guarantee that you will?

You act like there's never been a religious deconvert. What would you say to all the devout religious followers that have become atheists? All the members of the Clergy Project, for example?

[The Magic Pudding]

I would but I've heard he has the best befuddling bastard lawyers.

[Godscreated]

Godschild: Can ya prove that last statement? About us suffering a delusion that we are free blahblah? Please provide empirical evidence. Otherwise do not make claims that cannot be asserted, or I will start doing the same to you and I can almost promise that you will find it very annoying.

Go ahead, there's an ignore button.

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That's the whole idea isn't it, faith. Have you ever seen in scriptures anything but faith in the unseen God, I haven't. You have a delusion you are free from the judgement of the God of creation, that delusion is a very dangerous one.

I'm not the one suffering from delusions here kiddo. Believing in something that cannot be proven to exist is dangerous, not the other way round. I don’t believe in Spiderman (I know, shoot me), I Don’t believe in the tooth fairy and I don’t believe in any god/gods.

As to faith, I find the very notion that “faith” is a good thing inherently offensive. The thought that blindly believing in something so abstract, so hazy that even its proponents cannot agree on it is just so utterly absurd, its an offence to the intellect of our species.

I know a few brilliant scientist who do not find it offensive.

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Bragging how superior you are. You can say anything about people, you need to show proof of your statement. I assume the score your keeping is the number of mentally ill, and that you have counted yourself first, quite brave of you. You like the others believe my intentions are to convert one of your own. Well that is between God and k2490.

I am superior only in the sense that I understand that pushing religious beliefs on the weak and vulnerable is unethical. You may think that your intentions are not to convert someone, but advocating your god to someone with mental health issues says otherwise.

I wish you all would get it together, I said if k2490 contact me I would offer help, the move would have to be on her/his part first.

[AnunZi]

I'm not the one suffering from delusions here kiddo. Believing in something that cannot be proven to exist is dangerous, not the other way round. I don’t believe in Spiderman (I know, shoot me), I Don’t believe in the tooth fairy and I don’t believe in any god/gods.

As to faith, I find the very notion that “faith” is a good thing inherently offensive. The thought that blindly believing in something so abstract, so hazy that even its proponents cannot agree on it is just so utterly absurd, its an offence to the intellect of our species.

I know a few brilliant scientist who do not find it offensive.

Would this be a xiatain “Scientist” (or should I say, Scientician) or someone who actually knows what the term “Peer review process means”?

[Godscreated]

I know a few brilliant scientist who do not find it offensive.

Would this be a xiatain “Scientist” (or should I say, Scientician) or someone who actually knows what the term “Peer review process means”?

Two nuclear engineers, one who is respected around the country, the other his father, another who works for ORNL and publishes papers for peer review for scientific journals. Another a college professor. I've studied with these men, even taught one when he was a youth.

[AnunZi]

Would this be a xiatain “Scientist” (or should I say, Scientician) or someone who actually knows what the term “Peer review process means”?

Two nuclear engineers, one who is respected around the country, the other his father, another who works for ORNL and publishes papers for peer review for scientific journals. Another a college professor. I've studied with these men, even taught one when he was a youth.

Yet still they think blind faith, in something with absolutely zero supporting evidence is a good thing? Personally I simply cannot reconcile that view with anything supported by the peer review process or scientific method. Its just plain hypocrisy.


I cannot help but wonder what their view points would be if they lived in a secular country, where being an atheist wasn’t viewed with hate and bile. (I’m assuming you live in America here, please correct me if I am wrong)