No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
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No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
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 RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 16, 2013 at 3:22 am
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2013 at 3:23 am by FallentoReason.)
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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 (August 16, 2013 at 3:14 am)Undeceived Wrote: We see if our experiences fit within a coherent worldview, and bam!—belief is born. Have you been in a meaningful relationship? Tell me if you came to the realization of your girl’s love for you any differently. Did you make the conclusion out of ignorance, saying, “I cannot think of what she may be gaining by making me a sandwich, so she must love me.” Or did you say, “She doesn’t love me until she proves it beneath a yet-to-be-invented brain emotion scanner.” Or were you more deliberative, weighing all the evidence, even though you could never be completely sure that she’s not just playing you? Maybe his girl just opened her pie hole and told him, foregoing all that mental masturbation in guessing? Comparing a relationship with a real person to a figment of your imagination hardly seems relevant.  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (August 16, 2013 at 7:26 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 16, 2013 at 2:44 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Indeed. Supernatural agents don't act in our universe. Agreed. You keep cherry-picking my posts for things you want to reply to and you turned all bitter when I pointed out your contradiction in you saying "I never said ____". I was enjoying what we had. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
I haven't turned bitter at all FNM. And I've replied to anything relevant you've said, patiently trying to point out again and again the basic point, which you still seem completely unable to grasp.
You, as a person that doesn't believe that there are any supernatural agents, can say that they don't act at all. Perfect. I agree, and you support the OP.  (August 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I haven't turned bitter at all FNM. And I've replied to anything relevant you've said, patiently trying to point out again and again the basic point, which you still seem completely unable to grasp. ![[Image: a.baa-It-Wasnt-Me-I-Swear.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cl.jroo.me%2Fz3%2F4%2Fk%2Fk%2Fe%2Fa.baa-It-Wasnt-Me-I-Swear.jpg)
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 16, 2013 at 4:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2013 at 4:07 pm by Faith No More.)
It's okay. I know you think all atheists look alike.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (August 16, 2013 at 3:14 am)Undeceived Wrote: God is spiritual.Oh really? Why? Can't god just be the universe itself unfolding at every moment? Can't god be nature itself? (August 16, 2013 at 3:14 am)Undeceived Wrote: We can only observe natural processes—every event, spiritual or not, must manifest itself in some natural way.And this is complete non-sequitur. Just because we can only experience natural events, why should spiritual events (whatever they are) manifest themselves in the natural world? As far as I know, they could as well remain isolated in their "spiritual world". (August 16, 2013 at 3:14 am)Undeceived Wrote: Reason is the bridge between the realms. It allows us to look at natural events and judge—using prior experience—whether those events are normal or aberrant. If the aberrant events are drastic enough or numerous enough, we are led to contemplate the supernatural.What would such events be? And to be honest, we've been led many times to the supernatural as an explanation for "aberrant events" we could not explain. This is where your argument from ignorance comes in: since there are such "aberrant events" we cannot explain we can resort to the supernatural as an explanation. Nope. Oh and my girlfriend exists. Which is not god's case.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped. Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses. Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder. Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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