What if Jesus had failed?

[Drich]

There is no option 5! Or maybe you need faith to be able to see it

Or maybe you do not see any other options because a truly closed mind is needed to refuse to see any other possibility than what someone else tells you to think.

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Your whole survey is based around the idea that the physical sacrifice, was the only thing being represented on the cross that day.

Can Jesus not be sacrificed and Christianity still function?

How does your question relate to my statement you quoted?

[FallentoReason]

How does your question relate to my statement you quoted?

Well, I'm gathering that your critique of the OP is that it isn't considering *all* that Jesus did - that, as you said, there's more than just the physical sacrifice. So my question to you is: does Christianity still work if he hadn't been sacrificed? If the answer is "yes", then that means the OP really is flawed and the point is moot. If the answer is "no" i.e. the crucifixion is *necessary*, then your appeal to "option 5" is a waste of time i.e. stop being alternative by creating a 5th option

[max-greece]

Jesus was only seen by the Jews. They weren't convinced. Doesn't appear to have been a resounding success to me. That he thought of himself as the Jewish messiah only makes it worse.

The way it comes across in marks gospel the non Jews were a booby prize that Jesus got for a good try.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Since he didn't exist, should I be picking the "couldn't happen" option?

[Minimalist]

According to the jews jesus was a total flop. Just some schmendrick who did none of the things that moshiach was supposed to do and got himself killed in the process.

Feh!

[Tonus]

The reason you hear 'you do not understand' is because most likely you don't.

True, it's a nonsensical story, both the typical version and yours.

You may have a version of Christianity based off of some other version of it

I agree, seeing as there are thousands of "versions" of it.

, but most times your personal version has been warped or tweaked just enough to support some supposed God paradox or in this case to frame out a one sided survey. Either way, its still not biblical Christianity. It's something you made up.

Biblical Christianity itself is something that someone made up, and that people continue to interpret and re-interpret as time goes on. The lack of any unified interpretation and the poor/sloppy explanations of god, his nature, and his actions in the Bible make it quite easy to point out the paradoxes.

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Since he didn't exist, should I be picking the "couldn't happen" option?

For the sake of fun and pedantry, you can consider it philosophically!

I selected option 3 because it seems the most plausible one if the god of the Bible exists. If we are made in his image, why wouldn't this be the third or fourth universe he created? Men are imaginative and inventive, but we tend to have to go through many iterations of a design before we get it right, then we improve upon it as we go.

If we reflect god's qualities and god really is the pinnacle of perfection, he'd have to be the ultimate inventor... constantly creating stuff that didn't work and improving as he went until he wound up with something workable and could start to improve it. The current reality is probably Beta Phase 2, or something. Drich is what god would call an "unhandled exception."

[Drich]

How does your question relate to my statement you quoted?

Well, I'm gathering that your critique of the OP is that it isn't considering *all* that Jesus did - that, as you said, there's more than just the physical sacrifice. So my question to you is: does Christianity still work if he hadn't been sacrificed? If the answer is "yes", then that means the OP really is flawed and the point is moot. If the answer is "no" i.e. the crucifixion is *necessary*, then your appeal to "option 5" is a waste of time i.e. stop being alternative by creating a 5th option

What if is neither yes or no?

Not saying this to be difficult for the sake of being difficult. But think about it. In essence God forgives sin by simply willing it, and offers the same thing he does now, but no sacrifice. No attempt to have understand the cost of not only forgiveness but the wage of sin it self. So why the need to 'convert?' The big question or argument then becomes why can just God will me into heaven as he willed away my sin?

Christianity would still work to a degree, but our understanding of God and His standards would be a mystery to us. As it is now we know who we are, why Christ had to die and have some idea of the cost to God.

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Jesus was only seen by the Jews. They weren't convinced. Doesn't appear to have been a resounding success to me. That he thought of himself as the Jewish messiah only makes it worse.

The way it comes across in marks gospel the non Jews were a booby prize that Jesus got for a good try.

Not true. A large portion of the Jewish population was not only convinced, but converted. But once they converted the Jews who did not, did not want the converted Jews to call themselves Jews. Hence the term Christian.
Once a Jew converted he was no long a member of the tribe. That is why there are no "Jewish" believers in Christ.

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According to the jews jesus was a total flop. Just some schmendrick who did none of the things that moshiach was supposed to do and got himself killed in the process.

Feh!

oi-veh...

See above.

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The reason you hear 'you do not understand' is because most likely you don't.

True, it's a nonsensical story, both the typical version and yours.

You may have a version of Christianity based off of some other version of it

I agree, seeing as there are thousands of "versions" of it.

, but most times your personal version has been warped or tweaked just enough to support some supposed God paradox or in this case to frame out a one sided survey. Either way, its still not biblical Christianity. It's something you made up.

Biblical Christianity itself is something that someone made up, and that people continue to interpret and re-interpret as time goes on. The lack of any unified interpretation and the poor/sloppy explanations of god, his nature, and his actions in the Bible make it quite easy to point out the paradoxes.

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Since he didn't exist, should I be picking the "couldn't happen" option?

For the sake of fun and pedantry, you can consider it philosophically!

I selected option 3 because it seems the most plausible one if the god of the Bible exists. If we are made in his image, why wouldn't this be the third or fourth universe he created? Men are imaginative and inventive, but we tend to have to go through many iterations of a design before we get it right, then we improve upon it as we go.

If we reflect god's qualities and god really is the pinnacle of perfection, he'd have to be the ultimate inventor... constantly creating stuff that didn't work and improving as he went until he wound up with something workable and could start to improve it. The current reality is probably Beta Phase 2, or something. Drich is what god would call an "unhandled exception."

Actually biblical christianity is the version of Christianity that must adhear to the bible as its one and only source for its doctrine.

[Minimalist]

See above.

Fairy tales, Drippy. Drawn from your own phony book of bullshit and the propagandists who came along later. There is no evidence for your assertion. Not that a lack of evidence has ever even slowed you down in the past. Nope. When you shove your head up your ass it is with the command "RAMMING SPEED!"

[freedomfromforum]

There is no option 5! Or maybe you need faith to be able to see it

Or maybe you do not see any other options because a truly closed mind is needed to refuse to see any other possibility than what someone else tells you to think.

THIS IS COMEDY GOLD! OH THE IRONY.....

[Drich]

Fairy tales, Drippy. Drawn from your own phony book of bullshit and the propagandists who came along later. There is no evidence for your assertion. Not that a lack of evidence has ever even slowed you down in the past. Nope. When you shove your head up your ass it is with the command "RAMMING SPEED!"

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Did I take all the fight out of you?

The old Minnie would have laid out pages upon pages of (conjecture and speculation) from 'expert' atheists who would support his every point. It was till after everything you said was shot down did you resort to name calling.

Now, you come out the gate name calling.

What happened?

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Or maybe you do not see any other options because a truly closed mind is needed to refuse to see any other possibility than what someone else tells you to think.

THIS IS COMEDY GOLD! OH THE IRONY.....

Indeed!!!

Because it is you guys who use this label on Christians, but here is a fine example of one of you guys doing (in practice) what you have claimed christianity as a whole in guilty of!!!