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Belief
January 10, 2010 at 3:45 pm
The dictionary definition of belief is as follows..

confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:

Therefore it follows that if you know something to be true you don't believe it as it is a fact and not subject to opinion or conviction. Instead, you know it.

Does it then follow that God is an atheist?
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Surely god is in our team! we don't believe in him and he also doesn't believe in his creator. Makes sense!Big Grin
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:15 pm
yeah, makes perfect sense...:S
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm by fr0d0.)
Being omniscient meaning you would take nothing on faith > A bit like Evie > Evie is God.
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Knowledge is a subset of belief in philosophy. It is usually referred to as "true justified belief" (although this does have some problems). Belief is certainly connected to knowledge. To have knowledge, you must have belief; you simply can't have knowledge any other way.

It's like saying that you can know it is raining outside but not believe it. Your having knowledge of it implies you have belief in it.
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:28 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 4:29 pm by Purple Rabbit.)
(January 10, 2010 at 3:49 pm)A897 Wrote: Surely god is in our team! we don't believe in him and he also doesn't believe in his creator. Makes sense!Big Grin
You're right. God is an atheist, he has no belief in a god who created him.
Also he is a non-believer because all he does is know. Yet he demands quite agressively blind faith from his followers.
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm (This post was last modified: January 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm by Violet.)
(January 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Being omniscient meaning you would take nothing on faith > A bit like Evie > Evie is God.

Well, Evie does take everything on faith (as does everyone). But wouldn't omniscience be a position of extreme faith? I know everything therefore I don't have to accept anything to be true because everything I know is true without possibility of doubt because I know so??

^Seems awfully circular to me /shrug
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm
(January 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm)Saerules Wrote: Well, Evie does take everything on faith (as does everyone).

Not according to Evie I think ...but we should check what he says.

(January 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm)Saerules Wrote: But wouldn't omniscience be a position of extreme faith? I know everything therefore I don't have to accept anything to be true because everything I know is true without possibility of doubt because I know so??

^Seems awfully circular to me /shrug

Only in the way you put it.
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Of course not according to Evie Tongue He defines faith in the way i define a large amount of faith, and evidence as i define justification for belief Tongue

Quote:Only in the way you put it.
Can you find another way to put it?
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RE: Belief
January 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Omniscient is an absolute attribute. It isn't reliant on any supporting qualification. Isn't it? Tongue
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