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(September 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: My only regret is the fishy odor that remains in my leather seats.
What, you're not ashamed of how you looked like an uneducated, childish fool?
That's what now? Three times you've made an ass of yourself and ran from a direct challenge?
As for your dumbass not remembering disagreeing...
(September 9, 2013 at 6:18 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: She already gave proof, but you failed to see it. It's your own problem if you don't want to believe her, but it makes you look like a dumbass for asking such an asinine question.
So which is it? Is she off the hook for her burden of proof or not?
September 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm (This post was last modified: September 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm by Mystical.)
Godschild, your reply is next. This is for Catfish.
I'm aware you don't believe Aeon to be an indefinite amount of time. Frankly, if that's the case then I don't really care. Any amount of time in torment is uncalled for by a benevolent creator--who, by the way, was described by the very same word therefore he's either not eternal or everything else is eternal . It's not my fault your bible was translated into the KJV and all other translations to mean eternal. I say that's your gods fault too for letting it stand as his direct communication to humanity (if he existed that is).
Romans 1
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Matthew 25
Matthew 25:46 NIV
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 ASV
American Standard Version
And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46 BBE
Bible in Basic English
And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the upright into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46 CEB
Common English Bible
And they will go away into eternal punishment. But the righteous ones will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
They will go off to eternal punishment, but those who have done what God wants will go to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 RHE
Douay-Rheims
And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
Matthew 25:46 ESV
English Standard Version
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
"These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God's approval will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 GNT
Good News Translation
These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 KJV
King James Version
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 LEB
Lexham English Bible
And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NAS
New American Standard
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NCV
New Century Version
"These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever."
Matthew 25:46 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
"Then they will go away to be punished forever. But those who have done what is right will receive eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NKJV
New King James Version
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NLT
New Living Translation
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NRS
New Revised Standard
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 RSV
Revised Standard Version
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 DBY
The Darby Translation
And these shall go away into eternal punishment, and the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 MSG
The Message
"Then those 'goats' will be herded to their eternal doom, but the 'sheep' to their eternal reward."
Matthew 25:46 WBT
The Webster Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."
Matthew 25:46 TNIV
Today's New International Version
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 TYN
Tyndale
And these shall go into everlastinge payne: And the righteous into lyfe eternall.
Matthew 25:46 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
"And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages."
Matthew 25:46 WEB
World English Bible
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 WYC Wycliffe
And these shall go into everlasting torment; but the just men shall go into everlasting life.
Matthew 25:46 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
Verses describing Hell as a sulfery fiery torment
Revelations 14 (NEW TESTAMENT)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Revelations 21
8 But for the cowardly and [d]unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and [e]brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelations 19
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”
And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
Revelations 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beastu and the false prophetv had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
(Rev. 19:19-21)
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
1 John 5:10-12
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
Matthew 10:33
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
John 3:14-17
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
God can't be a god over non existential beings, dude. It's pretty clear he's describing there to be an afterlife, not that we die and cease to exist, but you believers get eternal life.
Revelations 14 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Jeremiah states,
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)
Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (Rev 19:5-10)
...and yet when Jesus comes back he does not correct this faux pas?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(September 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Godschild, your reply is next. This is for Catfish.
I'm aware you don't believe Aeon to be an indefinite amount of time. Frankly, if that's the case then I don't really care. Any amount of time in torment is uncalled for by a benevolent creator--who, by the way, was described by the very same word therefore he's either not eternal or everything else is eternal . It's not my fault your bible was translated into the KJV and all other translations to mean eternal. I say that's your gods fault too for letting it stand as his direct communication to humanity (if he existed that is).
Romans 1
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Matthew 25
Matthew 25:46 NIV
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 ASV
American Standard Version
And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46 BBE
Bible in Basic English
And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the upright into eternal life.
Matthew 25:46 CEB
Common English Bible
And they will go away into eternal punishment. But the righteous ones will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
They will go off to eternal punishment, but those who have done what God wants will go to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 RHE
Douay-Rheims
And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
Matthew 25:46 ESV
English Standard Version
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
"These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God's approval will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 GNT
Good News Translation
These, then, will be sent off to eternal punishment, but the righteous will go to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
"And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 KJV
King James Version
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 LEB
Lexham English Bible
And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NAS
New American Standard
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NCV
New Century Version
"These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever."
Matthew 25:46 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
"Then they will go away to be punished forever. But those who have done what is right will receive eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NKJV
New King James Version
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NLT
New Living Translation
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 NRS
New Revised Standard
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 RSV
Revised Standard Version
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 DBY
The Darby Translation
And these shall go away into eternal punishment, and the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 MSG
The Message
"Then those 'goats' will be herded to their eternal doom, but the 'sheep' to their eternal reward."
Matthew 25:46 WBT
The Webster Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Matthew 25:46 TMB
Third Millennium Bible
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."
Matthew 25:46 TNIV
Today's New International Version
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 TYN
Tyndale
And these shall go into everlastinge payne: And the righteous into lyfe eternall.
Matthew 25:46 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
"And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages."
Matthew 25:46 WEB
World English Bible
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matthew 25:46 WYC Wycliffe
And these shall go into everlasting torment; but the just men shall go into everlasting life.
Matthew 25:46 YLT
Young's Literal Translation
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
Verses describing Hell as a sulfery fiery torment
Revelations 14 (NEW TESTAMENT)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Revelations 21
8 But for the cowardly and [d]unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and [e]brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelations 19
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”
And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
Revelations 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beastu and the false prophetv had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
(Rev. 19:19-21)
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
1 John 5:10-12
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
Matthew 10:33
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
John 3:14-17
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
God can't be a god over non existential beings, dude. It's pretty clear he's describing there to be an afterlife, not that we die and cease to exist, but you believers get eternal life.
Revelations 14 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Jeremiah states,
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)
Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (Rev 19:5-10)
...and yet when Jesus comes back he does not correct this faux pas?
Feeding the trolls with anything of worth is wasted, but you've done a lovely job with this spread here. Maybe he really did want to see this. Perhaps he'll surprise us this time.
Lol prolly not. He's stuck on the mistranslation of Aeonian to justify his god as not being a megalomaniac asshole. As far as I can ascertain from a good 8mo of observation of his majority of snide remarks, Catfish is a non conformist Christian. (correct me if I'm wrong, Catifsh. You're hard to pin down on anything.)
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(September 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Lol prolly not. He's stuck on the mistranslation of Aeonian to justify his god as not being a megalomaniac asshole. As far as I can ascertain from a good 8mo of observation of his majority of snide remarks, Catfish is a non conformist Christian. (correct me if I'm wrong, Catifsh. You're hard to pin down on anything.)
Wow, you really have no clue about anything, huh?
1st, I am the one who pointed out to you that "eonian" means an indeterminate period of time, so I don't know where you came up with that.
2nd, this is about your claim to have read the Bible and that it says it is unerring and that it is a requirement to follow it.
3rd, you keep harping about punishment being unfair? Who are you, dazzn or Koolay or something???
4th, I'm going to laugh because your opening paragraph about God not being eternal was hillarious as Romans 1:20 was the same verse that I had refered to when I told you that there was a Greek word used in the NT which does mean "eternal". Go check if you don't believe me.
September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am (This post was last modified: September 10, 2013 at 2:23 am by Mystical.)
I don't understand any of your qualms, Catfish. I said you think Aeonian means indeterminate not eternal.
I stated in my first paragraph how there was a word referenced in describing god as Aeonian. I then went on to say that if
god was described as such and he's supposedly eternal, then the rest of the translated references would also have to mean eternal.
Since they obviously do not (in describing Jonah's fish experience and such), then either god is not eternal or he is and everything else does
mean eternal (like HELL).
No, sir. Who do you think You are, to assign a judgement upon me (indeterminate or not)when I've done nothing to deserve such treatment? A judgement your own brethren hold to be eternal torment in hell. My life would be a lot better off not even knowing about your silly viewpoint, honestly. Instead, here you are on an atheist forum telling me that oh I'm only going to hell for an indeterminate amount of time. Seriously, go suck a big one catfish.
OH! AND you're a Waste Of Breath. Your two sentence replies to a half hours+ worth of work? FUCK OFF TROLL.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(September 9, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Heir Apparent Wrote: Oh man, I leave this thread for a few hours and come back to a bad troll, GC trying (and failing) to defend his crappy book, and a hell that has broken loose.
I like it here.
Please show me I'm wrong and I don't see you defending what you believe. I've offered to explain those verses even though I know most will reject what I say.
GC
Surely that's already been done by 3-4 people already, probably more. I don't need to parrot what they've said already.
And I don't see my beliefs being challenged. Would you like to?
(September 10, 2013 at 2:21 am)missluckie26 Wrote: No, sir. Who do you think You are...
Why, he's an arsonist, lighting fires to watch the flames. Heck, even when he may have a point, he withholds his full thoughts on the subject at hand to allow others to twist in the wind. That way, he can swoop in with triumphant 'nuh-uhs', 'you are wrongs', and ad hominems. In a discussion and/or debate between multiple parties, I find this close to the vest approach to exchanging ideas damnable.
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GC
