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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 24, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm by Ryantology.)
I think it's more fair to ask why Christians insist in one breath that their God is not a capricious and bloodthirsty psychopathic monster, yet insist that we treat him like he's a capricious and bloodthirsty psychopathic monster by supplicating for forgiveness and accept the fact that, no matter how hard you try to be what he wants you to be, you're still just as likely as any god-hating atheist to suffer tragedy, deprivation and death, and as often as not, he will ignore your most horrible suffering while the god-hating atheist will achieve and succeed at life. And all for a reward which may or may not be handed out after you die and zero evidence existing to suggest it ever has been. Why? Just because.
There's no logical reason why God should insist that you have to be a gullible idiot (sorry, 'have faith') in order to be saved, because if you weren't a gullible idiot, you wouldn't take any of this seriously in the first place.
Cue a gullible idiot or two demonstrating that he's a gullible idiot by vociferously attempting to explain why he isn't a gullible idiot.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 24, 2013 at 3:14 pm
(September 24, 2013 at 12:52 pm)John V Wrote: (September 24, 2013 at 1:55 am)max-greece Wrote: The idea of a loving God was overlaid on a pre-existing deity who bore more resemblance to a war god. The Jewish God didn't really pretend to be nice - as a cursory glance at the OT shows. That's the problem - you take a cursory glance. The OT god shows love and forgiveness, and Jesus shows judgment and wrath.
OK - I'll bite. Care to illustrate your argument with some examples?
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 24, 2013 at 3:27 pm
(September 24, 2013 at 12:52 pm)John V Wrote: (September 24, 2013 at 1:55 am)max-greece Wrote: The idea of a loving God was overlaid on a pre-existing deity who bore more resemblance to a war god. The Jewish God didn't really pretend to be nice - as a cursory glance at the OT shows. That's the problem - you take a cursory glance. The OT god shows love and forgiveness, and Jesus shows judgment and wrath.
(September 24, 2013 at 12:34 am)gilbertc06 Wrote: Pretty much every major religion adheres to an almighty, all powerful, eternal god.
Then why do you have to bow to him? Why do you have to sing songs for him? Why do you even have to say ridiculously long prayers to him?
If a god was infinitely more powerful than everything else, it wouldn't give one single damn about people bowing or singing songs to him. Huh? You bow down and sing songs to retarded children? Bizarre.
Not per say but adults humor them and treat them in a special way. I mean if a full grown man demanded some sort of special devotion just because he had a job and responsibilities that would be ridiculous. Only children need special attention. Sane adults take action and do positive things through their own initiative. Your god acts like the former.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 24, 2013 at 4:22 pm
It is an odd thing to really do when you think about it, it really because this God like many others have stated represent us in a way. If a being had insight to the degree of God. Why the hell does he seem to get jealous, why does he seem to care more about rather or not you bang someone than healing a broken world? It is because he represents us, like Ivy said he is our image. As a christian this was a thought that haunted me for a long time. Questions I prayed an atheist would never ask me, if I was asked I would simply state the this being's logic and perception is different so there might be variable we may not understand. However, I failed to really see the issues with this being. In the end it just a manifestation of humanities insecurities and willingness to look outward to a higher power to solve our problems, instead of looking at ourselves.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 24, 2013 at 8:32 pm
(September 24, 2013 at 12:34 am)gilbertc06 Wrote: Pretty much every major religion adheres to an almighty, all powerful, eternal god.
Then why do you have to bow to him? Why do you have to sing songs for him? Why do you even have to say ridiculously long prayers to him?
If a god was infinitely more powerful than everything else, it wouldn't give one single damn about people bowing or singing songs to him.
I don't care how perfect a god is, listening to 4 billion prayers every day would drive him insane.
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.
JUST BELIEVE IT!
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm
(September 24, 2013 at 12:52 pm)John V Wrote: The OT god shows love and forgiveness, and Jesus shows judgment and wrath.
You're joking, right?
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You're joking, right?
Theists do not joke around when it comes to their delusions.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 25, 2013 at 4:28 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (September 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You're joking, right?
Theists do not joke around when it comes to their delusions.
Maelstrom, after I read your comment, I thought I'd look up some stupid Christian jokes, and I found this dumb one that even atheists can believe in (to a degree).
A Sunday school teacher was asking her students some questions after a series of lessons on God's omnipotence. She asked, "Is there anything God can't do?"
All was silent. Finally, one boy held up his hand.
The teacher, on seeing this, was disappointed that they had missed the point of the lesson. She sighed and asked, "Well, what is it you think God can't do?"
The boy replied, "He can't please everybody."
Makes sense to me.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 25, 2013 at 4:54 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (September 24, 2013 at 12:52 pm)John V Wrote: The OT god shows love and forgiveness, and Jesus shows judgment and wrath.
You're joking, right? No. My favorite passage on mercy and forgiveness is from the OT
Psalm 103
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always strive with us,
Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
And you've heard of Revelations, haven't you? Jesus comes back and destroys his enemies 'nat.
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RE: Why is God treated like a retarded and selfish child?
September 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm
(September 25, 2013 at 4:54 pm)John V Wrote: Psalm 103
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
Except when it comes to the global flood, Amelikites, Sodom & Gomorrah, etc.
I don't know how whoever wrote that psalm did it with a straight face. It should have "LOL" after it.
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