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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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(October 3, 2013 at 3:22 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Extremely unlikely events happy all the time. This "saved" person has no background in Probability, is seems. Get 100 pairs of dice. Toss them on the desk. The probability of that event, (or a similar event) coming out exactly the way it did, I can easily demonstrate, is 1/Googleplex.
ID is a strawman created by ignorant people who never took Probabilty 101.
What are the odds it turned out the way it did AFTER you rolled them? Does it make sense to argue after you know the result that it couldn't have happened because the odds are so low?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 3:22 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Extremely unlikely events happy all the time. This "saved" person has no background in Probability, is seems. Get 100 pairs of dice. Toss them on the desk. The probability of that event, (or a similar event) coming out exactly the way it did, I can easily demonstrate, is 1/Googleplex.
ID is a strawman created by ignorant people who never took Probabilty 101.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHi6huBS...g&index=18
What are the odds it turned out the way it did AFTER you rolled them? Does it make sense to argue after you know the result that it couldn't have happened because the odds are so low?
But atheistic origin science needs more that one beyond comprehension miracle. It actually needs many trillions of miracles one after another in a specific order as if directed by an intelligence.
That is a miracle making machine with intelligence.
Sorry. your answer does not help your cause.
So I will reframe Pascal's wager for you.
There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God.
But it is almost certain that you will receive everlasting punishment.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:44 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What are the odds it turned out the way it did AFTER you rolled them? Does it make sense to argue after you know the result that it couldn't have happened because the odds are so low?
But atheistic origin science needs more that one beyond comprehension miracle. It actually needs many trillions of miracles one after another in a specific order as if directed by an intelligence.
That is a miracle making machine with intelligence.
Sorry. your answer does not help your cause.
So I will reframe Pascal's wager for you.
There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God.
But it is almost certain that you will receive everlasting punishment.
"There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God."
Where did you derive that probability from?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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(October 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What are the odds it turned out the way it did AFTER you rolled them? Does it make sense to argue after you know the result that it couldn't have happened because the odds are so low?
No. You're exactly correct.
The probability of an event that has occurred is 1.0
Highly unlikely events happen all the time.
So the argument is specious.
The necessary events that would be needed to get the process of cellular life started, (hydrophobic/lipophilic phospho-lipid protein self-assemblage) has been demonstrated in the lab, more times than anyone could count. That doesn't even qualify as an "unlikely event". It's actually, more probable than not. Given millions of years, it would be a virtual certainty.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:44 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: "There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God."
Where did you derive that probability from?
At this point in the conversation, can you even envision a reality where the answer to that question isn't "out his ass?"
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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(October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But it is almost certain that you will receive everlasting punishment.
Good thing that you are absolutely wrong. You may think what you like, but your certainty is worth zilch.
And as a moderator I want to point this out to you: http://atheistforums.org/thread-3559.html. Read, if you haven't. I (or my colleagues) do not look kindly upon those who start preaching about us "sinful" members going to hell. That's not ok.
EDIT: And I forgot. Since I truly hope that at least what I wrote the line above caught your attention: what are your credentials?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: What are the odds it turned out the way it did AFTER you rolled them? Does it make sense to argue after you know the result that it couldn't have happened because the odds are so low?
But atheistic origin science needs more that one beyond comprehension miracle. It actually needs many trillions of miracles one after another in a specific order as if directed by an intelligence.
That is a miracle making machine with intelligence.
Sorry. your answer does not help your cause.
So I will reframe Pascal's wager for you.
There is a one in a google-plex chance that you will die and there is no God.
But it is almost certain that you will receive everlasting punishment.
You have demonstrated that you have no understanding of probability.
Please learn elementary probability theory before you further embarrass yourself.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Kayenneh,
That Kudos was for remembering and for the new avatar.
I do like a girl in glasses.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:54 pm
(October 3, 2013 at 4:51 pm)max-greece Wrote: I do like a girl in glasses.
Thank you
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just to mention... as usual these people have no education in their own cults.
The Hebrews did not believe in hell, or immortality. Sheol was not hell.
The concept of immortality arose late in Hebrew culture during the apocalypic period, (after the Exile), and it was only for political heroes. Paul of Tarsus actually taught that immortality was for the saved, only. These idiots talking about people going to hell, are demonstrating their complete ignorance of Biblical concepts, and history.
There is a great book, by the (liberal) Christian scholar, (actually seminary professor (!) in Tulsa), Dr. Bernard Brandon Scott. He wrote an excellent debunking of the entire resurrection/immortality thing, called "The Trouble with Resurrection". I recommend it. Immortality is actually a non-biblical idea. The process of it's development is fascinating, if you're into cultural history.
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