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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 12:44 am
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(October 11, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: maybe this would help: one's heaven and hell destiny is not determine by an intellectual decision about the existence of God, rather it's their deliberate rejection or acceptance of the truth clearly revealed to them. if they determine they want independence from God by rejecting that truth, He gives them their wish. as an aside: the word 'torment' appears to actually mean 'restraint'. Those that have demonstrated the most evil on earth receive the most restrain. others have a different destiny since they accepted the truth.
Nope. Not helpful at all, unless your plan was to make your god look like an even bigger piece of shit. Thanks to your fellow religionists, you are late to the party for that as well.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 1:08 am
(October 9, 2013 at 10:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 11:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: I wasn't asking you.
 GC
We don't care who you are asking. Threatening us with hell is like threatening us with the dark side of "The Force".
You could threaten us with Lex Luthor and it would still mean the same to us. The only thing atheists need to worry about are the real actions of humans who buy this bullshit to be fact.
Try understanding WHY you reject threats from Muslims and their belief in their version of a fictional hell, then maybe, you'll understand why we reject your crap too.
I haven't threatened you with hell, I will say what the scriptures say and if that offends you then take it up with God. Tell us how is one offended by something you know doesn't exist..... or maybe you are hoping... oh that would be faith wouldn't it.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 1:13 am
@G-C...
How come all of your posts suddenly lack originality?
All of the sudden they all read..."The contents of this message are hidden because Godschild is on your ignore list."
Are you hiding something?
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 2:48 am
(October 11, 2013 at 1:08 am)Godschild Wrote: I haven't threatened you with hell, I will say what the scriptures say and if that offends you then take it up with God. Tell us how is one offended by something you know doesn't exist..... or maybe you are hoping... oh that would be faith wouldn't it.
GC
We're offended by the spirit behind the message, genius: we're offended by your subtext, which is, in short, that you believe we're immoral people who deserve to be burned alive forever. Would you not find that offensive?
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 5:47 am
(October 11, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: maybe this would help: one's heaven and hell destiny is not determine by an intellectual decision about the existence of God, rather it's their deliberate rejection or acceptance of the truth clearly revealed to them.
"Clearly"?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 8:20 am
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(October 11, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: maybe this would help: one's heaven and hell destiny is not determine by an intellectual decision about the existence of God, rather it's their deliberate rejection or acceptance of the truth clearly revealed to them.
Except, the truth that you speak of isn't clearly revealed.
Quote: if they determine they want independence from God by rejecting that truth, He gives them their wish.
I have not determined that I want independence from god, because to determine I wanted independence from god I would have to firstly accept he is real (which requires proof). I simply believe that there is no evidence for a god, as far as I'm concerned he is not real.
Quote: as an aside: the word 'torment' appears to actually mean 'restraint'. Those that have demonstrated the most evil on earth receive the most restrain. others have a different destiny since they accepted the truth.
OK. And what about the majority of people that have not "demonstrated the most evil on earth" ...AND... have not "accepted the truth"?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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(October 11, 2013 at 8:20 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 12:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: maybe this would help: one's heaven and hell destiny is not determine by an intellectual decision about the existence of God, rather it's their deliberate rejection or acceptance of the truth clearly revealed to them.
Except, the truth that you speak of isn't clearly revealed.
Quote: if they determine they want independence from God by rejecting that truth, He gives them their wish.
I have not determined that I want independence from god, because to determine I wanted independence from god I would have to firstly accept he is real (which requires proof). I simply believe that there is no evidence for a god, as far as I'm concerned he is not real.
Quote: as an aside: the word 'torment' appears to actually mean 'restraint'. Those that have demonstrated the most evil on earth receive the most restrain. others have a different destiny since they accepted the truth.
OK. And what about the majority of people that have not "demonstrated the most evil on earth" ...AND... have not "accepted the truth"?
knowing the truth and deliberating rejecting the truth results in the 'unpardonable sin'. those that commit it are cut-off and find their eternal home in hell. there, the inhabitants that demonstrated the less earthly evil will have a corresponding less restraint remember, God's nature doesn't allow 'torment' (metaphoric language). Some people and demons desire more than anything else is freedom from God and the restraint imposed on them by their conscience. So God grants their wish and withdraws his influence.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 15, 2013 at 1:24 am
the main thing: make sure you don't end up in hell.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 15, 2013 at 2:23 am
(October 15, 2013 at 1:24 am)snowtracks Wrote: the main thing: make sure you don't end up in hell.
Proof there is no hell for me:
What would be my hell?
My hell would be to be stuck with people like Snowtracks or Gracie for eternity.
For this hell to exist however Heaven must exist and Snowtracks and Gracie would be there.
Therefore they can't be in hell with me.
Therefore there is no hell for me.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 15, 2013 at 3:27 am
(October 15, 2013 at 1:24 am)snowtracks Wrote: the main thing: make sure you don't end up in hell.
Why that hell does not even sound like a bad place really. Think of all the interesting people there, and imagine if it is a understandable universe, and with some of humanities greatest minds with nothing better to do then explore it, oh imagine the literature. Sure does sound better then heaven.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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