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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm
(October 30, 2013 at 11:48 am)Esquilax Wrote: (October 30, 2013 at 6:52 am)Brakeman Wrote: I think it's freaking hilarious that the best argument is missing, "Argument from evidence."
But we get the "Argument from common consent!" What more could you want? Lots of people believe it, therefore it's true!
Shit, I wish Max would actually respond to these threads so I can tear into something reactive. It's just sad, seeing these hit and run shitstains clogging up my browser.
#5 and #9 are certainly based on evidence.
To the extent that our entire perception of reality - existence - is based on our own sensory experience and second hand hearsay reporting that is 'revealed' to us by others, all of these from #1 to #19 are based on evidence.
(I'm not going near Pascals Wager about hell #20 because I don't want get banned like SavedByGrace. Plus it's not nice to scare all the timid sensitive atheists so close to Halloween.)
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 6:28 pm
(October 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: #5 and #9 are certainly based on evidence.
Number five just asserts by fiat that the universe wasn't the product of natural means (step 3 in its process is simply "not chance") and leaves it at that. Moreover, it merely mistakes our ability as humans to recognize patterns and small elements of consistency in a universe that is, for the most part, far beyond our ability to understand, and then decides that, instead of this being a product of our amazing- yet limited- intelligence, it's a sign that the entire thing was created for us. It views the situation backwards.
As for number nine, although it asserts there are many miracles, the bulk of the writing about it fails to mention even a single one, instead relying on abstracts about what would qualify as a miracle. No evidence was given, hence, why bother?
Quote:To the extent that our entire perception of reality - existence - is based on our own sensory experience and second hand hearsay reporting that is 'revealed' to us by others, all of these from #1 to #19 are based on evidence.
Thankfully, I'm not a solipsist, so I don't need to consider the prospect that my reality and yours are different, and that yours might contain magic.
Quote:(I'm not going near Pascals Wager about hell #20 because I don't want get banned like SavedByGrace. Plus it's not nice to scare all the timid sensitive atheists so close to Halloween.)
Grace didn't get banned just for threatening us with hell. She got banned because her entire posting record was just one long refusal to engage with anyone, filled with faulty logic and by fiat assertions made across multiple pointless threads with no sign of content. The threat of hell was just the straw that broke the camel's back; no need to oversimplify it.
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 7:34 pm
(October 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: #5 and #9 are certainly based on evidence.
I don't doubt that to your theist mind those are based somehow in what you call evidence.
Not so much to the rational members of planet earth though..
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Arguments that suggest (extremely poorly) the presence of a creator are not enough, though. Christians don't believe in some generic creator with generic properties. You believe, completely and without reservation, in a specific creator with unique properties. That's what you have to prove. You might be doing nothing but trying to prove the existence of Allah or Marduk or Brahma.
Prove YOUR god's existence.
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm by Faith No More.)
(October 30, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: (I'm not going near Pascals Wager about hell #20 because I don't want get banned like SavedByGrace. Plus it's not nice to scare all the timid sensitive atheists so close to Halloween.)
Quit being a douchebag. It was because SavedByGrace was just ignoring counterpoints and spamming new threads rather than having to defend the ones he already created.
So, stop with the fucking persecution complex, and if you have a problem with the staff's actions, contact one of us instead of engaging in this pathetic, public whine-fest. And if you don't like the way things are done here, no one is forcing you to return.
I'm tired of these passive-aggressive digs that the you and the other theists keep throwing at the staff, so just stop with this petty bullshit.
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I assure you there is nothing 'passive' about me.
The meek will inherit the earth and I ain't one of them.
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Then you're trespassing on my planet.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm by Cinjin.)
(October 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I assure you there is nothing 'passive' about me.
The meek will inherit the earth and I ain't one of them.
maybe, but you are a self proclaimed sheep.
Not exactly something to brag about. 
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 11:18 pm
It's a confession.
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RE: Only Twenty?
October 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm
(October 30, 2013 at 11:56 am)Minimalist Wrote: Let's face it. Someone who openly admits to being impressed by this shit
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can't be taken seriously.
He looks like he is about to use force lightening
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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