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RE: How do you feel when someone directly tells you ...
November 5, 2013 at 5:15 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: I agree, that's no way to teach children and, in my church that does not go on, I can't say what might happen at home, but by the way the children talk it doesn't happen there either. You guys are quick to condemn all Christians when in truth there are many who would agree with you that scaring children with hell is inappropriate, children just can't understand hell at a young age. I believe that most who leave the faith have been taught that way and I for one think it's shameful they were taught that way. (partial quote - emphasis added)
I'm not sure the two you quoted in the above post were doing any 'condemning'. I see them relating personal experiences - something which you do quite a bit of yourself. As far as the 'all Christians' part; it is possible that you're detecting the overall disdain most rational thinkers have for any group that accumulates its beliefs from fairy tales - 'all Christians' would definitely fit into that same category. Otherwise, there are many brands of Christianity, all disagreeing with one another. The Lord is wanting to find unity upon his returning, and not this divisive, finger-pointing, 'my church is the real church' stuff. How will you reconcile this?
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November 5, 2013 at 5:32 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Einharjar Wrote: I believe I've only ever had two people legitimately condemn me to Hell. One was a grisly concerned Christian class mate whom was suggesting "you can go to Hell for this stuff, you know that right?"and the other was the angry "you're going to Hell for your sins!" Bullshit that I laughed at. For the classmate, I simply said "um... Nope. Not possible." Which of course broke his logic processes. The flamed however a tore into. There is a wonderful checklist you can spout off to such imbeciles.
Quote:1 - it is not your place to pass judgement, so says your god.
I really believe most Christians say that because they are concerned, not to be hateful, though I'm sure there are some, Christians like most people lack tact when what they believe is threatened.
Quote:2 - you cannot see what my future hold, so says your god.
No one can see your future, and you could change, however I would think that when one is told that they will be in hell for unrepentant sin, it's said about how one is conducting their life at the time. Those who say one is going to hell with malice needs to look at their own salvation, carefully.
Quote:3 - we are not cast into Hell, but the Lake of Fire, so says your god.
...and the difference is? Explain this to me please, and how is it that one could be in a lake of fire and still find themselves in a dark place. I personally do not believe in a firey hell where one suffers from physical pain, the hell I see from scripture comes with a greater suffering.
Quote:4 - even if I do not repent in this life, I get a second chance to do so at the Great White Throne Judgment, so says your god.
For one who says they studied scripture, you sure missed out on the meaning of the Great White Throne Judgement, so says my God.
Quote:5 - you apparently don't read or head your own Scriptures despite cclaiming you walk with Christ, which makes you a hypocrite, so says your god also.
It's apparent you should have applied this to yourself when you were in church. So who's actually the hypocrite, right.
Quote:6 - laslty, there is a special eternal death for those whom are Luke Warm, those who garner the closest to hate god can ever feel for you...so says your god.
The luke warm you refer to is a person who is pretending to be a Christian, you have fallen very short in your study of scripture... so says my God.
Quote:The individual started to cry there after though I didn't know if it was outve pure anger or fear. Some would even say she was "crying for my soul" but even if my soul was filled with bullet holes, im pretty sure it shone more light than hers did that day. That was until I went all black and figured I was atheist.
That made you feel proud did it, to hurt someone's feelings even though your's might have been hurt. Clearly you did not take anything good with you from scripture when you left the church. Clearly you did not shine that day, the blackness had already fallen on you.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: That made you feel proud did it, to hurt someone's feelings even though your's might have been hurt. Clearly you did not take anything good with you from scripture when you left the church. Clearly you did not shine that day, the blackness had already fallen on you.
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RE: How do you feel when someone directly tells you ...
November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:15 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: I agree, that's no way to teach children and, in my church that does not go on, I can't say what might happen at home, but by the way the children talk it doesn't happen there either. You guys are quick to condemn all Christians when in truth there are many who would agree with you that scaring children with hell is inappropriate, children just can't understand hell at a young age. I believe that most who leave the faith have been taught that way and I for one think it's shameful they were taught that way. (partial quote - emphasis added)
I'm not sure the two you quoted in the above post were doing any 'condemning'. I see them relating personal experiences - something which you do quite a bit of yourself. As far as the 'all Christians' part; it is possible that you're detecting the overall disdain most rational thinkers have for any group that accumulates its beliefs from fairy tales - 'all Christians' would definitely fit into that same category. Otherwise, there are many brands of Christianity, all disagreeing with one another. The Lord is wanting to find unity upon his returning, and not this divisive, finger-pointing, 'my church is the real church' stuff. How will you reconcile this?
First of all I was asking all non believers to not compare the Catholic Church with the protestant church, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.
Second just because you decided the scriptures are a fairy tale does not make it so.
Third when Christ comes to gather up His church He will not care who belongs to what denomination, He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride.
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RE: How do you feel when someone directly tells you ...
November 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 5:15 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: (partial quote - emphasis added)
I'm not sure the two you quoted in the above post were doing any 'condemning'. I see them relating personal experiences - something which you do quite a bit of yourself. As far as the 'all Christians' part; it is possible that you're detecting the overall disdain most rational thinkers have for any group that accumulates its beliefs from fairy tales - 'all Christians' would definitely fit into that same category. Otherwise, there are many brands of Christianity, all disagreeing with one another. The Lord is wanting to find unity upon his returning, and not this divisive, finger-pointing, 'my church is the real church' stuff. How will you reconcile this?
First of all I was asking all non believers to not compare the Catholic Church with the protestant church, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.
Yet you quoted two members in your post - that is what I was addressing (in context)
GC Wrote:Second just because you decided the scriptures are a fairy tale does not make it so. Fair enough - but science and reason are on my side.
GC Wrote:Third when Christ comes to gather up His church He will not care who belongs to what denomination, He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride. Like I said, Fairy Tale.
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RE: How do you feel when someone directly tells you ...
November 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride.
GC
Oh well that sounds swell, what wedding dress were you thinking of wearing?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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November 5, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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Godschild Wrote:Third when Christ comes to gather up His church He will not care who belongs to what denomination, He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride.
I bet you can't wait to consummate that marriage.
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RE: How do you feel when someone directly tells you ...
November 5, 2013 at 5:49 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride.
GC
Oh well that sounds swell, what wedding dress were you thinking of wearing? Better not be the same as SoC's or there might be a holier-than-thou showdown.
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November 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: He will come and claim those who are saved through grace and make us His bride.
GC
Oh well that sounds swell, what wedding dress were you thinking of wearing?
I've got mine picked out.
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November 5, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Sigh. Always a bridesmaid...
(Seriously...what a disturbing set of images this is.)
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