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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm
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(November 8, 2013 at 6:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Yes it is a handful of bad guys. I don't think you are taking into account that one guy can rape more than one girl. From the FBI:
One forcible rape every 6.3 minutes in 2001 in the US. That's a busy handful of guys. I guess at about 10 rapes a day a handful of guys in every city could manage it.
(November 8, 2013 at 6:16 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Without healthy prostates procreation becomes entirely clinical.
Likewise, without healthy breasts, nursing a child becomes clinical.
Personally, I'm just tired of the media sponsored division that seems to have struck a nerve here. I maintain that equality is a human rights issue and should have little if nothing to do with gender. I agree entirely. I'm not arguing that breasts are or should be more important than prostates. I just think prostates aren't OPPRESSED because the more popular and media-exposed body part gets more money, any more than the pretty popular girl raising more money for her charity than the plain shy girl means the plain shy girl is oppressed. It doesn't make it RIGHT- I just don't think it's a case of oppression.
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 6:58 pm
(November 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Zazzy Wrote: (November 8, 2013 at 6:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Yes it is a handful of bad guys. I don't think you are taking into account that one guy can rape more than one girl. From the FBI:
One forcible rape every 6.3 minutes in 2001 in the US. That's a busy handful of guys. I guess at about 10 rapes a day a handful of guys in every city could manage it.
(November 8, 2013 at 6:16 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Without healthy prostates procreation becomes entirely clinical.
Likewise, without healthy breasts, nursing a child becomes clinical.
Personally, I'm just tired of the media sponsored division that seems to have struck a nerve here. I maintain that equality is a human rights issue and should have little if nothing to do with gender. I agree entirely. I'm not arguing that breasts are or should be more important than prostates. I just think prostates aren't OPPRESSED because the more popular and media-exposed body part gets more money, any more than the pretty popular girl raising more money for her charity than the plain shy girl means the plain shy girl is oppressed. It doesn't make it RIGHT- I just don't think it's a case of oppression.
They must be a popular handful of guys too, considering about 26% of rapes in the US are commited by a current or former partner
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm
(November 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I agree entirely. I'm not arguing that breasts are or should be more important than prostates. I just think prostates aren't OPPRESSED because the more popular and media-exposed body part gets more money, any more than the pretty popular girl raising more money for her charity than the plain shy girl means the plain shy girl is oppressed. It doesn't make it RIGHT- I just don't think it's a case of oppression. I've never made one single statement where I even alluded to men, or prostates being 'oppressed'. My OP was just 2 cents to throw on the pile 
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 7:01 pm
(November 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I guess at about 10 rapes a day a handful of guys in every city could manage it. 10 rapes a day? I am thinking that at least those handful of guys doing all the raping would have to have superspeed and the ability to time travel and rape a thousand times a day since many of those women have been raped more than once. It is 1 out of 4 women have been raped, not the number of times they have been raped.
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm
(November 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've never made one single statement where I even alluded to men, or prostates being 'oppressed'. My OP was just 2 cents to throw on the pile Sorry, FFF, the tenor of the whole thread has me on that loop. Forgive me.
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm
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(November 8, 2013 at 5:25 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Ever see a prostate cancer commercial, let alone products and promotional drives?
Do you want to audition for the role of the face of prostate cancer?
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm
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(November 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Zazzy Wrote: (November 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've never made one single statement where I even alluded to men, or prostates being 'oppressed'. My OP was just 2 cents to throw on the pile Sorry, FFF, the tenor of the whole thread has me on that loop. Forgive me. No problem Zazzy. I can see that both sides are passionate. That is why I maintain that human rights should be the focus, and not gender rights. Isn't witnessing evolution fun? 
(November 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Chuck Wrote: (November 8, 2013 at 5:25 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Ever see a prostate cancer commercial, let alone products and promotional drives?
Do you want to audition for the role of the face of prostate cancer? ( color added by me)
OK, I'm game...
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 8, 2013 at 8:35 pm
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(November 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: (November 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Sorry, FFF, the tenor of the whole thread has me on that loop. Forgive me. No problem Zazzy. Now you get a poem for being wonderful (I choose sweet and not sexy for this occasion):
When You Are Old
Quote:When you are old and grey and full of sleep,
And nodding by the fire, take down this book,
And slowly read, and dream of the soft look
Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep;
How many loved your moments of glad grace,
And loved your beauty with love false or true,
But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you,
And loved the sorrows of your changing face;
And bending down beside the glowing bars,
Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face amid a crowd of stars.
W.B. Yeats
Derail over now.
Edit: Oh, in case anyone thinks this is some flirtation thing, FFF and I both love love poetry.
Edit again- Now I see my problem.Both you and Rationalman have House avatars. That makes life hard, damnit.
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 9, 2013 at 12:10 am
I take issue with what you are saying zazzy, because it sounds to me like you are implying that most men are rapists
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RE: The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.
November 9, 2013 at 12:24 am
(November 9, 2013 at 12:10 am)Rationalman Wrote: I take issue with what you are saying zazzy, because it sounds to me like you are implying that most men are rapists
Just do the math. 1 out every 4 women as experienced a form of sexual assault. And 1 out of 65 males have experienced either an attempted rape or a completed rape by another male. So that handful of bad guys must be awfully busy or we have a problem.
And by the way, the stats stating the males may be a fifth of rape victims may be underestimated, because male victims are less likely to acknowledge or admit have have been sexually assaulted.
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