The Supreme CourtTells Oklahoma to Fuck Off

[Doubting Thomas]

Why would I give a shit if someone wants to remove a healthy kidney? Hell, the doctor could even save it for a transplant.

Or have with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

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Seriously, John, that's a really crappy analogy. But yes, if someone, for some strange reason thought they needed one of their kidneys removed, then they should have the right to do it providing they had the money and could find a doctor willing to perform such a useless operation. Unless that kidney is going toward a transplant, I don't think any doctor would perform it and anyone asking for it would probably receive a mental health screening.

[T.J.]

Seriously, John, that's a really crappy analogy.

Crappy analogies is all they have.

[Jackalope]

If your abortion on-demand argument is about personal autonomy you MUST equally support the right of a person to have their $100,000 healthy kidney removed - their body, their choice.

You do realize that people can and do have healthy kidneys voluntarily removed for transplant, yes? Somewhat long story, I volunteered one of mine to my father - it was declined, not because of ethics, not because the procedure isn't done, but because he was not a candidate for transplant (his kidney failure was ultimately reversible, and other mitigating factors did not allow him to undergo such a procedure).

[Zazzy]

I will keep making this point: prohibiting access to safe and legal abortions will not end abortion. Women of education and means will go elsewhere. The only women you will be controlling are poor and uneducated women- and that's pretty shitty. Forced reproduction is slavery, and the slaves will be who they have always been: poor women. Way to go.

[Minimalist]

The only women you will be controlling are poor and uneducated women-

The goal of religion everywhere. IF there is one thing that all of the angry desert god horseshit religions agree upon it is that women need controlling. This is proof, if any were needed, that religion was created by men who are ashamed of their little dicks.

[Esquilax]

If your abortion on-demand argument is about personal autonomy you MUST equally support the right of a person to have their $100,000 healthy kidney removed - their body, their choice.

Why would you expect us to blanch at that? So long as it's consensual, what's the issue?

[Lion IRC]

Can a woman rent out her uterus to the highest bidder?
Can she sell her unborn baby?
How about photos of her unborn babies genitals? Can she sell those?

...I'm wondering what WOULD make you blanch.
Money for body parts might not bother libertarian capitalism but I find it disgusting!

[Esquilax]

Can a woman rent out her uterus to the highest bidder?

It's called surrogacy, and sometimes yes, money is involved. What's the issue?

Can she sell her unborn baby?

Adoption, and yes, sometimes money changes hands there too. Or are you talking about the fetus?

How about photos of her unborn babies genitals? Can she sell those?

Isn't that just a sonogram? Why would anyone want to buy those? Of course, one could make the argument that this comes under current child pornography laws and, rightly, I'd not want to encourage that kind of criminal activity.

...I'm wondering what WOULD make you blanch.
Money for body parts might not bother libertarian capitalism but I find it disgusting!

And perhaps you've considered the possibility that your immediate revulsion, or the unthinking disgust reactions of any person, might not weigh up against an actual consideration of the consequences? Why are you placing so much worth in going with your gut, over being rational?

[KichigaiNeko]

The only women you will be controlling are poor and uneducated women-

The goal of religion everywhere. IF there is one thing that all of the angry desert god horseshit religions agree upon it is that women need controlling. This is proof, if any were needed, that religion was created by men who are ashamed of their little dicks.

Is ó mhnáib do·gabar rath nó amhrath.
It is from women that fortune comes, good or bad.

Spoken in the council of the Túatha Dé Danann by Midir Mongbuide, son of the Dagda, in "Acallam na Senórach" (408-09).
{image: Ramha-Palmer http://tinyurl.com/kv55qxd — wit' scurvy sea dogs Karen Valli}

Perhaps this is why?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Wow, such important subjects.