Why the U.S. needs single-payer healthcare like yesterday

[Ryantology]

Y'know, just in case you think that what we need is more of what we have.

[Napoléon]

So let me get this straight. The state actually expects the average citizen to pay sums like that? I mean I know you're supposed to have health insurance, but there isn't any law against not having it right? I really don't get America's welfare system. You guys live in the most prosperous first world country, yet the government can't even provide affordable healthcare for its citizens? It seriously baffles me that a lot of Americans actually think universal health care is a bad idea.

[Ryantology]

That's how it is.

The right wing talk about how the poor just need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but all it takes is one hospital visit and your average uninsured low-income American is pretty much in debt forever.

[Minimalist]

And, if you have insurance which you obtained privately don't be surprised if they drop you if a bill like this is presented.

If you don't believe me, watch Michael Moore's "Sicko." That deals with people who "thought" they had health insurance.

[Chad32]

Unfortunately insurance companies are much better about taking your money than they are about giving it back when you need it. As if that wasn't why you were giving them money in the first place.

Obama's trying to change things with the affordable healthcare act. We'll see if it really helps.

[Jackalope]

So let me get this straight. The state actually expects the average citizen to pay sums like that? I mean I know you're supposed to have health insurance, but there isn't any law against not having it right? I really don't get America's welfare system. You guys live in the most prosperous first world country, yet the government can't even provide affordable healthcare for its citizens? It seriously baffles me that a lot of Americans actually think universal health care is a bad idea.

No shit. Years ago, I thought that and quite frankly, any reason I could give would sound pretty fucking stupid today.

I got a bill for over $80,000 for eight days in the hospital last year. Had I not been insured, my choices would have been to go bankrupt and stick the hospital (and their other patients) with the bill, or.... Well, I guess dying would be my only other realistic option. I wouldn't have been able to pay it off - I would have been still paying off my last medical adventure - possibly even the one before that.

We *already* pay for the uninsured - quite possibly in the least efficient way possible. That would not be my argument for single payer - simple compassion and empathy is enough for me to support it.

[Minimalist]

It's a marginal improvement which primarily stops some of the worst abuses of the industry.

But Vermont has already figured out the way to go.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...re/282626/

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The incredible thing is that the US Government actually spends more per capita on its citizens on healthcare than the UK, Japan, South Korea,Germany, France or Italy and yet all those countries have socialised medicine and the US does not. So Why does medicine cost so much in the USA? A general practitioner in the USA makes, on average, pretty much the same as one in the UK , nurses are are a bit more but where are the other costs? Obviously the obscene profits go to the shareholders of medical companiesIts not that you need extra funding -the funding is there already. What you need to do is break the Medical-Industrial complex which is probably the largest bilking operation in the USA today.

Americans pay Money for government healthcare that is wasted. THEN they have to pay again for insurance which has just gone up because of the fuck up that is Obamacare and even then they have to pay excesses because insurance won't cover it all.

Then to add insult to injury they tell you that the USA has the best medical treatment in the world.

[Ryantology]

Americans pay Money for government healthcare that is wasted. THEN they have to pay again for insurance which has just gone up because of the fuck up that is Obamacare and even then they have to pay excesses because insurance won't cover it all.

As the thread title indicates, I think Obamacare is insufficient. However, because of it, my wife and I have health insurance today. We're both self-employed and it was previously far too expensive.

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Americans pay Money for government healthcare that is wasted. THEN they have to pay again for insurance which has just gone up because of the fuck up that is Obamacare and even then they have to pay excesses because insurance won't cover it all.

As the thread title indicates, I think Obamacare is insufficient. However, because of it, my wife and I have health insurance today. We're both self-employed and it was previously far too expensive.

Yet most people are now paying more are they not? I think the measure at stopping insurance companies charging massive premiums on self employed people was one of the few positive things about Obamacare but in general the costs have gone up

the "if you like your plan you can keep it" statement just shows how much of a fuck up it is however...Obama is not the villain here he is just an incompetent trying to find a way around it. the real bad guys are the Isnurance companies and the medical industry