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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 1, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Quote:no human being has ever witness an effect without a cause.
Details of the origin of god required, please
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 1, 2014 at 8:07 pm
(February 1, 2014 at 1:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: no human being has ever witness an effect without a cause.
Nobody has ever witnessed god, you fucking moron. According to your logic, that means he doesn't exist.
But then, I know you're not actually, you know, having thoughts right now. You're just spending your last days here trolling. 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 2:38 am
(February 1, 2014 at 3:26 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: (January 31, 2014 at 11:45 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the U. (a creation) requires a necessary reality. Why God? best fit the description and the preponderance of evidence when examining: the U., origin-of-life, human beings, and biblical scripture (says where the the U. came from, and it's eventually non-existence).
So, where did God come from?
couple of comments on that: hypothetically if God exist, we know He wouldn't be created by another 'god' to the 2'nd power, etc since that would means an infinite regression of causes which would solve nothing because that process couldn't ever begin.
theological answer: God is uncaused, independent, and self-explanatory; and is supra-dimensional which is that He exist outside the space-time-energy-matter U. envelope.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 2:42 am
(February 2, 2014 at 2:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: couple of comments on that: hypothetically if God exist, we know He wouldn't be created by another 'god' to the 2'nd power, etc since that would means an infinite regression of causes which would solve nothing because that process couldn't ever begin.
So, your position is basically special pleading: "The universe can't exist without a cause, since no human has seen an effect without a cause! I propose a god, that exists without a cause, to solve it!" Fucking hell.
More importantly, you're begging the question anyway, since you haven't even attempted to establish that an infinite regress or uncaused, unconscious universe is impossible. Argument from ignorance.
Quote:theological answer: God is uncaused, independent, and self-explanatory; and is supra-dimensional which is that He exist outside the space-time-energy-matter U. envelope.
Whenever people say something is "self-explanatory," what they usually mean is "I have accepted this explanation." That's not the same thing, nor does simply labeling something as self-explanatory obligates others to accept it as such.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 3:12 am
(February 1, 2014 at 1:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: inflation is after singulaity not before in the big bang model.
no human being has ever witness an effect without a cause.
1. No, not after a singularity
2. Read up on the origins of the arrow of time, causality and the quantum measurement problem. Apart from that, you are still acting as if your misleading intuitions were somehow applicable outside the universe
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 9:49 am
(February 2, 2014 at 2:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: theological answer: God is uncaused, independent, and self-explanatory; and is supra-dimensional which is that He exist outside the space-time-energy-matter U. envelope. Well, that sure is convenient.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 11:48 am
(February 2, 2014 at 2:38 am)snowtracks Wrote: hypothetically if God exist, we know He wouldn't be created by another 'god' to the 2'nd power, etc since that would means an infinite regression of causes which would solve nothing because that process couldn't ever begin.
theological answer: God is uncaused, independent, and self-explanatory; and is supra-dimensional which is that He exist outside the space-time-energy-matter U. envelope.
Rational answer, ie one with the least amount of ad hocs: God as defined in this sense cannot exist. Unless one is defining "God" to include the ability not to be constricted by silly things like logic and rationality, in which case all bets are off anyway.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 1:09 pm
(February 2, 2014 at 3:12 am)Alex K Wrote: (February 1, 2014 at 1:58 pm)snowtracks Wrote: inflation is after singulaity not before in the big bang model.
no human being has ever witness an effect without a cause.
1. No, not after a singularity
2. Read up on the origins of the arrow of time, causality and the quantum measurement problem. Apart from that, you are still acting as if your misleading intuitions were somehow applicable outside the universe bought pink's book, have it right in front of me. -----
Inflation:
In addition to the uncertainty of what will evolve from a singularity, the question also remains regarding a mechanism which could have led out of this singularity (3). During inflation that follows the singularity according to the standard model, the universe supposedly expanded at a rate greater than the speed of light during the first fraction of a second.
http://www.0095.info/en/index_thesesen_9...ation.html
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 7:12 pm
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It doesn't make sense to say that it expanded faster than the speed of light. It just expands by a certain factor per in universe time.
What is pink's book?
The apparent singularity arises if you evolve the radiation dominated universe back in time in classical general relativity further that it is valid. Apart from this problem with the claim of a mathematical singularity in our past, this is unlikely to be the correct picture of the early universe anyways due to the observed flatness and homogeneity, But, If there is inflation in between, which explains these plus primordial fluctuations, this extrapolation of a radiation dominated universe further backwards is not justified anyways.
The site you link to is a collection of out of context quotes and misconceptions. I don't know what J Silk means by that statement without knowing the context.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
February 2, 2014 at 7:14 pm
Personally I prefer to get my information from sources that understand that Stephen Hawking is not a "famous physicists".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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