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I was just in a debate with a christian
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 11:51 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: A warning isn't a threat.

You can call it rain all you want, but that doesn't change the fact you're still pissing on me.

(February 13, 2014 at 11:51 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: You don't don't actually know God or a higher power doesn't exist and it's you who will get to find out if they're wrong not the other way.

What I do know, however, is all of god's supposed followers are completely inept at demonstrating his existence and are frequently forced to resort to the "you don't actually know" routine due to the impotence of their position.

(February 13, 2014 at 11:51 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: What would count as evidence?

Oh, you know, stuff that demonstrates god's existence.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#72
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 7:32 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Omg Luckie! You look like Jessica Rabbit

Lol! omg you're right Tongue
Though she's epic rabbit hotness. I can't compete with that!
Oh well, maybe I'll be that for Halloween Devil

(February 13, 2014 at 8:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(February 13, 2014 at 7:32 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Omg Luckie! You look like Jessica Rabbit

Hotter than that, surely. Wink

I stand corrected Heart
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#73
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.

Incorrect. An atheist isn't making a postive assertion.

In the same way a detective wouldn't be "wrong" to not believe that a person definitely commited a murder based on very little evidence. If later on he found evidence that strongly implicated the person, then he wouldn't be wrong to believe that person commited the murder. His original determination would still NOT be incorrect, as it was not a postive assertion. His methodology has been sound throughout.

Even if I ended up face to face with God after death, and God wasn't a complete idiot, we'd both agree he didn't provide enough evidence and I was rational in my disbelief. What's more, if a God exists he knows exactly how much and what type of evidence each person on Earth needs to believe in him. He would know he hadn't provided me with enough evidence.
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#74
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You can call it rain all you want, but that doesn't change the fact you're still pissing on me.

If you want to ridicule God, Christ or faith in God you can take a little bit of Pascals Wager in return, seeing as it applies to this degree at the very least.


Quote:What I do know, however, is all of god's supposed followers are completely inept at demonstrating his existence and are frequently forced to resort to the "you don't actually know" routine due to the impotence of their position.

It isn't something you can know hence it's called faith.



Quote:Oh, you know, stuff that demonstrates god's existence.

What would that be?
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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#75
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
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If you want to ridicule God, Christ or faith in God you can take a little bit of Pascals Wager in return, seeing as it applies to this degree at the very least.

On the other hand if the Satanists are right, we're screwed and they're fine.

There is a bit of a gamble whatever religion you pick...
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Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you want to ridicule God, Christ or faith in God you can take a little bit of Pascals Wager in return, seeing as it applies to this degree at the very least.

Yoda says, "Incomprehensible that was."

(February 13, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: It isn't something you can know hence it's called faith.

If you can't know, why are you trying to convince me the fate of my soul depends on it?

Quote:What would that be?

Oh, you know, stuff that demonstrates god's existence.

It's almost as if you haven't thought this through.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#77
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
Wow this is getting desperate! Pascals wager? Really?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#78
RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.
Childish = "warning" us that your imaginary friend is going to fuck us up really good after we die.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: On the other hand if the Satanists are right, we're screwed and they're fine.

If Satan exists then the Abrahamic God will exist as well. Unless you mean atheistic version but that's just what you believe anyway.



Quote:There is a bit of a gamble whatever religion you pick...

Not really because if atheism is true we would cease to exist but there would not be a "you" in existence for this to happen to therefore it wouldn't ever happen to you personally. You can't find out about something that doesn't happen so only atheists can ever be proved conclusively and completely wrong to the fullest extent. Even if say the Sikhs are right then Christians, Muslims, Jews and whoever else will only have been wrong about something.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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RE: I was just in a debate with a christian
(February 13, 2014 at 8:19 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: As C.S Lewis described it Hell is a prison with the door locked from the inside.

CS Lewis - for real? Who the fuck cares what some fiction writer wrote about what some other ancient fiction writers wrote?!? What kind of fucktard would use the words of fiction writers in an attempt to make a legitimate point?!?! "Hey everybody, Stan Lee describes how his super heroes got their powers." Who the FUCK cares!

Quote:Forgiveness and salvation from God is guaranteed for everyone but only if want it as God won't force his love on anyone.

And yet your god has no problem holding a cosmic shotgun to everyone's head. The idea that 85,000,000 souls have simply "escorted themselves" into hell is just greasy sophistry and the desperate attempt of apologists to get around the fact that their god BRAGS about CASTING people into hell. You're a god damn fucking liar and a real piece of shit for attempting to use fear to change the minds of those who are not as blind and gullible as yourself.

(February 13, 2014 at 11:30 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only atheists are in any danger of being proved conclusively utterly wrong whereupon they will at the very least feel like a proper mug. Given that danger I'd try not make childish remarks about God/faith.

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