Moral Dilemma

[Jackalope]

I believe it is moral to be selfish & put one's loved one & self first.

I believe that raping children for personal gain is reprehensible and unforgivable.

[Violet]

I cannot take responsibility for the actions of others. I can take responsibility for my own actions. One choice is morally reprehensible on my part, I cannot own any part of another's moral choices.

Ergo, no moral dilemma.

You're not responsible for calling out the impending demise of that person in front of you... maybe you're right.

Let's see you live with that 'non-responsibility', though. Inaction allows for an awful lot of 'what ifs'. Knowing that you could have saved someone, and didn't...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rathbone

It hurts some

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I believe it is moral to be selfish & put one's loved one & self first.

I believe that raping children for personal gain is reprehensible and unforgivable.

It is not that you stand to gain, here. Do you believe that your captor will stop with your "loved one"? Do you TRUST your captor to honor the 'choice' you are given?

Put yourself there. Your "loved one" is a security element for your captor. If you do not comply, they will deem your loved one as not important enough to you to bend you, AND THEY WILL SEARCH FOR ANOTHER (probably another close "loved one"). Your decision to do nothing will likely lead to suffering far greater than your submission to their will... which is the acting element here: the thing they seek.

Will they really leave your loved one alive after you prove their worthlessness? You, the target, know nothing of what they are capable of. Will you trust in the humanity of one who would force a 14 year old person to be raped by another?

[Jackalope]

Let's see you live with that 'non-responsibility', though. Inaction allows for an awful lot of 'what ifs'. Knowing that you could have saved someone, and didn't...?

I see what you're saying, but consider that in order to save that someone, you must directly harm another (the girl), and indirectly harm the child born of rape by putting him in the hands of a psychopath.

As this was posed as a moral dilemma, I answered in terms of what would be the most moral choice. Under my personal moral code, causing harm to children is one of the worst possible things one can do.

[fr0d0]

I believe it is moral to be selfish & put one's loved one & self first.

How on earth do you work that out!?

[Violet]

This is too absurd a premise to dignify with an answer.
This whole ridiculous scenario has the stink of a sociopath attempting to gain masturbatory fodder for his own twisted rape fantasy.

Isn't that the beauty of it, though?

The thing is... it's not actually absurd. This can be done: trafficking is a reality.

Though... I don't know about masturbating to it. It seems to be more of a cruel satisfaction. More akin to taking a drug recreationally than to pleasuring oneself sexually.

[Jackalope]

Will you trust in the humanity of one who would force a 14 year old person to be raped by another?

Of course not - which is why I refuse to play the game at all.

Raping the girl doesn't change a goddamned thing. Everyone involved is STILL at the mercy of the whims and will of psychopath. Whether one rapes the girl or not, the psychopath is still free to torture the loved one or not, or seek out others more important or not - and by the way, by your action, you've added one more person that the psychopath can harm due to giving in to his will.

You're damned right I'd resist his will - to the bitter fucking end.

[Violet]

I didn't come up with it.

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Also rape fantasies don't make you a psychopath.

Perhaps not. They certainly do not help if one is trying to defend their sanity, though.

[bennyboy]

Will you trust in the humanity of one who would force a 14 year old person to be raped by another?

Of course not - which is why I refuse to play the game at all.

Raping the girl doesn't change a goddamned thing. Everyone involved is STILL at the mercy of the whims and will of psychopath. Whether one rapes the girl or not, the psychopath is still free to torture the loved one or not, or seek out others more important or not - and by the way, by your action, you've added one more person that the psychopath can harm due to giving in to his will.

You're damned right I'd resist his will - to the bitter fucking end.

I think you are a young man, with nobody under your care. You don't yet understand that being a man sometimes means doing wrong in order to protect those under your care from being wronged. Sure, you can say, "I didn't torture my family-- those bastards did it!" but you've still failed to protect them.

[Violet]

Of course not - which is why I refuse to play the game at all.

Raping the girl doesn't change a goddamned thing. Everyone involved is STILL at the mercy of the whims and will of psychopath. Whether one rapes the girl or not, the psychopath is still free to torture the loved one or not, or seek out others more important or not - and by the way, by your action, you've added one more person that the psychopath can harm due to giving in to his will.

It fulfills the end to this game. Until this goal is met, there can be no end to the fun. The story remains incomplete... the dragon not yet slain... the enemy not fallen broken before them.

You underestimate the root thrill: breaking the resilient. Your quickest salvation, and that of your loved one too? To bore them.

You're damned right I'd resist his will - to the bitter fucking end.

And that's what makes you so fuun~

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I think you are a young man, with nobody under your care. You don't yet understand that being a man sometimes means doing wrong in order to protect those under your care from being wronged. Sure, you can say, "I didn't torture my family-- those bastards did it!" but you've still failed to protect them.

I do not believe his station, or circumstances, are relevant. Also, there are few ways to protect others from torment... not even using yourself as a shield and/or distraction is likely to work.

Predators are not all after the same thing. This situation appears to be the invention of someone not so far from me... but how could *the subject* know what kind of predator this is? THEY CAN'T.

Every action is wrong. There is no nobility here.

[Jackalope]

I think you are a young man, with nobody under your care. You don't yet understand that being a man sometimes means doing wrong in order to protect those under your care from being wronged. Sure, you can say, "I didn't torture my family-- those bastards did it!" but you've still failed to protect them.

I think you're quite wrong. I was born in 1967, I have an almost 12 year old child, I do not trust psychopaths to keep their word, and while there are a great many wrongs I *would* commit to keep my family safe, raping and impregnating children with the expressed purpose to putting a newborn into the hands of a psychopath is not among them.

Sorry to disappoint you.