Flat Earth and Geocentrism

[Drich]

You're right. Every single verse quoted here is poetic literature. It's poetic language. You can ridicule all you want, but the bible is not making a statement about a flat earth. How many modern authors have used the term "the four corners of the earth" and many others, like "the sun rose" and "the sun shone it's light"?

Ah yes, that great poetic idiom, "it can never be moved," used to mean- in such a poetic way!- "moves constantly and at a speed that would be boggling if we had the capability to feel it." Yes.

Also, can we notice the difference between Lek's "it's all poetry!" stance, and Drich's "We didn't know any better!" stance? One of them's gotta be wrong... Or both...

Oh, and Drich? Didn't god know any better?

Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

When teaching or explaining to a large group (let alone all of humanity) one must teach to the 'slowest' person in the group. Otherwise you'd loose all but a hand ful. This way only a handful is lost.

[Esquilax]

Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

When teaching or explaining to a large group (let alone all of humanity) one must teach to the 'slowest' person in the group. Otherwise you'd loose all but a hand ful. This way all but a handful is lost.

So what you're saying is that the concept of a sphere would be baffling to those bronze age peeps, but the concept of an all knowing, miraculous god would not be?

[Cato]

Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

When teaching or explaining to a large group (let alone all of humanity) one must teach to the 'slowest' person in the group. Otherwise you'd loose all but a hand ful. This way all but a handful is lost.

Are you suggesting because people like you exist, the rest of us must tolerate and suffer through inadequate education? I'm likely wasting my time knowing that the point is probably loosened on you.

[Tonus]

Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

Do you think that the Bible is the best work he could come up with?

[houseofcantor]

You're right, Drich. It's a dumb fucking argument.

[Ryantology]

Ever use the term sunrise, sunset? You do know the sun does not move across the sky right? Why do we still use these terms? Because from our perspective these things still seem to hold true. How much more true when 'we' did not know any better?

So, maybe, when they spoke of God, they were just using poetic language to describe the natural formation of the universe and as a metaphor to represent their ideas of morality?

Or, are you just going to pick which cherries are metaphors and which aren't?

Why am I asking, you're as predictable as the sun rising.

[Drich]

Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

When teaching or explaining to a large group (let alone all of humanity) one must teach to the 'slowest' person in the group. Otherwise you'd loose all but a hand ful. This way all but a handful is lost.

So what you're saying is that the concept of a sphere would be baffling to those bronze age peeps, but the concept of an all knowing, miraculous god would not be?

The concept of a sphere before the ability to explain it would have baffled anyone.

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Do you think if God had the bible written from His perspective we'd be able to understand it?

Do you think that the Bible is the best work he could come up with?

If it were who would it speak to?

The bible is the remedial course in God/salvation 101

And still we have trouble with it.

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Ever use the term sunrise, sunset? You do know the sun does not move across the sky right? Why do we still use these terms? Because from our perspective these things still seem to hold true. How much more true when 'we' did not know any better?

So, maybe, when they spoke of God, they were just using poetic language to describe the natural formation of the universe and as a metaphor to represent their ideas of morality?

Or, are you just going to pick which cherries are metaphors and which aren't?

Why am I asking, you're as predictable as the sun rising.

If I am, then Why does it seem that you missed the intentions of what I said here?

[Esquilax]

The concept of a sphere before the ability to explain it would have baffled anyone.

Then so would the concept of a god, even more so.

Do you even think about your arguments before you post them?

[Sword of Christ]

Christians believed the world to be spherical from the very beginning as this was established as a part of classical science (natural philosophy as it was known). While there were some natural philosophers who posited a heliocentric view of the universe, and even suggested that stars were other Suns with planets around them, this was considered to be a crackpot barking mad theory at the time. Geocentrism was primarily a scientific mistake regarding the construction of the universe rather a mistake of religious doctrine.

[Esquilax]

Christians believed the world to be spherical from the very beginning as this was established as a part of classical science (natural philosophy as it was known). While there were some natural philosophers who posited a heliocentric view of the universe, and even suggested that stars were other Suns with planets around them, this was considered to be a crackpot barking mad theory at the time. Geocentrism was primarily a scientific mistake regarding the construction of the universe rather a mistake of religious doctrine.

More fiat assertions, very unhelpful, especially in light of all the bible verses that imply a flat earth. Not to mention the fact that, despite your claims that christians knew the earth was spherical "from the very beginning," historically you get a lot of saints and biblical scholars arguing about the nature of the firmament- you know, that giant dome that Genesis describes as dividing the water in space from the water below? Thomas Aquinas argued for a solid firmament, over which there is fire.

Remember that verse in Matthew where Jesus could see the entire planet from the top of a tall mountain?