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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 23, 2014 at 11:28 pm
(March 23, 2014 at 11:08 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Looks like a logical post. Why was this person banned?
It shows that he was banned on October 14th of last year on the Staff Log - Bannings, Reports, and Other Actions thread, page 26.
LastPoet Wrote:Banned "Grace" for preaching/spamming. He had it coming...
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http://atheistforums.org/thread-12336-page-26.html
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 1:13 am
(March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheist use the God-gap argument, not theist. a presuppositional belief that God doesn't exist assumes that science will eventually explain what is not yet understood. there doesn't exist any empirically testable observation that science will eventually fill in the gap.
Yep, because all the most persuasive arguments begin "No, you!" 
Look, dude: you've got no evidence of any such presupposition, and this is clearly just a transparent attempt to make yourself feel better over your complete failure to present anything of worth that can be examined under scientific principles to arrive at the conclusion you want. It's standard conspiracy theorist crap: it's not that you're wrong, perish the thought! It's that everyone that disagrees with you is against you!  hock:
Fuckin' cry me a river.
Quote:Looks like a logical post. Why was this person banned?
Grace presented a profound misunderstanding of current science and the scientific method, and combined that with an unwillingness to consider our corrections, or even the possibility that she might be wrong. She got banned for being a loon who would do nothing but preach, and she had plenty of time to change and engage in conversation.
For example, that claim about the second law of thermodynamics, there? The second law doesn't say that. Like, at all. But you try explaining that to Grace.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 9:49 am
(March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheist use the God-gap argument, not theist. Non-theist sees a gap and thinks "we need to find out what belongs here. Let's do some research!"
Theist sees a gap and thinks "must be god. Next?"
Over and over throughout our history, we have filled the gaps in our knowledge of the world and of the universe. To date, none of those gaps have been filled by god. God is nothing more than a placeholder until we find out what's really happening.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 2:02 pm
(March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheist use the God-gap argument, not theist. a presuppositional belief that God doesn't exist assumes that science will eventually explain what is not yet understood. there doesn't exist any empirically testable observation that science will eventually fill in the gap.
Yes, some atheists make illegitimate arguments. So what?
Ever hear the expression, "two wrongs don't make a right" ?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 2:20 pm
(March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheist use the God-gap argument, not theist. a presuppositional belief that God doesn't exist
I don't believe in things unless there is evidence for that belief.
You seem to think this is a bad thing.
Quote: assumes that science will eventually explain what is not yet understood. there doesn't exist any empirically testable observation that science will eventually fill in the gap.
You seem to be saying that in the whole of the future of humans and whatever we evolve into won't be able to work it out but science ain't finished yet!
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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(March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: there doesn't exist any empirically testable observation that science will eventually fill in the gap. And then came Copernicus.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 24, 2014 at 3:07 pm
Yet the only claim that the Christians have is "Goddidit!"
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 25, 2014 at 12:11 am
(March 24, 2014 at 9:49 am)Tonus Wrote: (March 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheist use the God-gap argument, not theist. Non-theist sees a gap and thinks "we need to find out what belongs here. Let's do some research!"
Theist sees a gap and thinks "must be god. Next?"
Over and over throughout our history, we have filled the gaps in our knowledge of the world and of the universe. To date, none of those gaps have been filled by god. God is nothing more than a placeholder until we find out what's really happening. belief in science and God aren't mutually exclusive.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 25, 2014 at 12:18 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:11 am)snowtracks Wrote: (March 24, 2014 at 9:49 am)Tonus Wrote: Non-theist sees a gap and thinks "we need to find out what belongs here. Let's do some research!"
Theist sees a gap and thinks "must be god. Next?"
Over and over throughout our history, we have filled the gaps in our knowledge of the world and of the universe. To date, none of those gaps have been filled by god. God is nothing more than a placeholder until we find out what's really happening. belief in science and God aren't mutually exclusive.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
March 25, 2014 at 1:01 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:11 am)snowtracks Wrote: belief in science and God aren't mutually exclusive.
In principle, no. But in your case that doesn't appear to be the case.
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