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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm
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(March 24, 2014 at 9:44 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: There is a difference between anti-religious and stating things that make the church look bad, or professing that the scientific method produces better results than any other method. Your confirmation bias will allow you to see church-slamming whenever anyone says anything that does not reflect positively on your pre-conceived notion.
Tyson wasn't comparing Halley's prophecy with "any other method". He was comparing it to religious prophecy.
I have made all my points. If you don't want to believe this television show doesn't have any anti-religious undertones....have at it. I'm done talking about religious undertones in Cosmos unless someone really makes a compelling counter point.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 10:15 pm
We did. Sorry we didn't meet your expectations. Cosmos is anti-ignorance, not anti-religion, but if its program causes viewers to question their erroneous beliefs, then this is something to celebrate, not bemoan.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 10:16 pm
(March 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: (March 24, 2014 at 9:44 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: There is a difference between anti-religious and stating things that make the church look bad, or professing that the scientific method produces better results than any other method. Your confirmation bias will allow you to see church-slamming whenever anyone says anything that does not reflect positively on your pre-conceived notion.
Tyson wasn't comparing Halley's prophecy with "any other method". He was comparing it to religious prophecy.
I have made all my points. If you don't want to believe this television show doesn't have any anti-religious undertones....have at it. I'm done talking about religious undertones in Cosmos unless someone really makes a compelling counter point.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 10:31 pm
(March 24, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (March 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: Tyson wasn't comparing Halley's prophecy with "any other method". He was comparing it to religious prophecy.
I have made all my points. If you don't want to believe this television show doesn't have any anti-religious undertones....have at it. I'm done talking about religious undertones in Cosmos unless someone really makes a compelling counter point.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 10:55 pm
I caught the anti religious undertones right from ep 1
But then, they were in the original book(I never saw the series)
But so what?
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 24, 2014 at 11:01 pm
(March 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: Tyson wasn't comparing Halley's prophecy with "any other method". He was comparing it to religious prophecy. So once again, religion gets its own, elevated platform? Is religious prophecy in a different category than "any other method?" Is saying that one thing produces better results than another the same thing as saying that I am 'anti-the second thing'?
(March 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: I have made all my points. If you don't want to believe this television show doesn't have any anti-religious undertones....have at it. I'm done talking about religious undertones in Cosmos unless someone really makes a compelling counter point. You made points? I must have missed them. I saw a bunch of whinging, but no points.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am
The truth is, as a practical matter, anti-religious. To that extent, I appreciate your point, Heywood.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 25, 2014 at 9:56 am
I could produce right now any number of vids of evangelists and creationist condemning atheists and scientists as being agents of satan.
So if cosmos is anti religious, deal with it princess.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 25, 2014 at 11:30 am
(March 24, 2014 at 8:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: (March 24, 2014 at 7:52 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Not only am I not sure how that is anti-religion, I'm not even sure what you're referring to.
Watch the episode again. Tyson claims with some disdain in his voice and his facial expression, "there was hardly ever a prophecy attempted by the mystics that even strives for comparable precision". He is slamming mystics. If the show is only supposed to get people excited by science, why slam mystics?
You guys seem to get upset at the suggestion that the show has "anti-religious undertones". Why does that bother you?
There is no room for mysticism in science. The show is about science. Get over it.
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RE: Cosmos with Neil De Grasse Tyson Premieres Tonight
March 25, 2014 at 1:33 pm
I fully support anti-religion undertones. Sorry that science doesn't fit your beliefs the way it's expressed through cosmos. Christianity needs to man up and understand that in this day and age everything is going to be criticized. It's not even a direct attack on religion and already the oppressors are trying to once again play the victim.
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