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DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
#51
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
Quote:outside of a written account what does the evidence your looking for look like?


A contemporary report by someone who was actually there, not some fucking bullshit story that was written 70-100 years later.
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#52
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Drich Wrote: outside of a written account what does the evidence your looking for look like?

Someone wrote it down: Must be true.

And here we go again with the burden of proof reversal.

so again what proof would be suficent? The prameters for Your "proof" must be falsifiable inorder to be a viable request.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 2:54 pm)Drich Wrote: you clearly support this grinding up babies as it supports a woman's right to choose.

You are a hipocrite, and in anyother soceity a monster as well.
Unless I am mistaken, the comparison is this:

God kills a world full of people, including children born or unborn.

-versus-

Rampant A.I. supports the actions of others who abort fetuses on request.

Is that accurate?

no.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: Unless I am mistaken, the comparison is this:

God kills a world full of people, including children born or unborn.

-versus-

Rampant A.I. supports the actions of others who abort fetuses on request.

Is that accurate?

Seems to be what I'm reading, with of course, an appeal to emotion by calling fetuses "babies".

fetus
late 14c., from L. fetus "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young," from L. base *fe- "to generate, bear," also "to suck, suckle" (see fecund). In L., this was sometimes transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood"

The latin defination clearly states that the term describes a baby. A Born viable baby.

Soceity redefined the term to try and take the sting of killing babies out of the process. Even so it does not change the correct understanding of this word.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:outside of a written account what does the evidence your looking for look like?


A contemporary report by someone who was actually there, not some fucking bullshit story that was written 70-100 years later.
Matthew was there. Mark was the scribe of Peter, (as he was not literate) Peter was there, John was there... What does it matter when those eye witness wrote down their account? especially if all three are in agreement?
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#53
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 1:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: While I was prefer abortions not happen unless the mother's life is in danger, there is a considerable difference between an embryo/fetus that hasn't developed a brain, and someone who has a life somewhere that may or may not be malicious towards their fellow human being. In your god's opinion, I am just as bad as Hitler, or possibly worse because at least he was religious. The opinions of a deity of this mindset have no more place in society than any other dictator who thinks he's above everyone else just because he can commit genocide when he is displeased.

Nuance is not something God or his children grasp.
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#54
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: fetus
late 14c., from L. fetus "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young," from L. base *fe- "to generate, bear," also "to suck, suckle" (see fecund). In L., this was sometimes transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood"

The latin defination clearly states that the term describes a baby. A Born viable baby.

Soceity redefined the term to try and take the sting of killing babies out of the process. Even so it does not change the correct understanding of this word.

So you don't know how dictionaries work or how language works.
"late 14c., from L. fetus " That means we adopted that word from the Latin language into English and gave it a meaning. The Latin definition is only of passing interest.

The definition of fetus is a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth, not a "born viable baby".

"In humans, the fetal stage commences at the beginning of the ninth week. At the start of the fetal stage, the fetus is typically about 30 millimetres (1.2 in) in length from crown to rump, and weighs about 8 grams. The head makes up nearly half of the fetus' size."

You call that a baby?
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#55
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Someone wrote it down: Must be true.

And here we go again with the burden of proof reversal.

so again what proof would be suficent? The prameters for Your "proof" must be falsifiable inorder to be a viable request.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:00 pm)Tonus Wrote: Unless I am mistaken, the comparison is this:

God kills a world full of people, including children born or unborn.

-versus-

Rampant A.I. supports the actions of others who abort fetuses on request.

Is that accurate?

no.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: Seems to be what I'm reading, with of course, an appeal to emotion by calling fetuses "babies".

fetus
late 14c., from L. fetus "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young," from L. base *fe- "to generate, bear," also "to suck, suckle" (see fecund). In L., this was sometimes transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of "offspring, brood"

The latin defination clearly states that the term describes a baby. A Born viable baby.

Soceity redefined the term to try and take the sting of killing babies out of the process. Even so it does not change the correct understanding of this word.

(March 26, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A contemporary report by someone who was actually there, not some fucking bullshit story that was written 70-100 years later.
Matthew was there. Mark was the scribe of Peter, (as he was not literate) Peter was there, John was there... What does it matter when those eye witness wrote down their account? especially if all three are in agreement?

Magic words there: a "BORN VIABLE BABY."

The rest of your claim is, once more, an appeal to emotion.

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#56
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 10:13 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Watching Drich defend the Noah's Ark story in utter seriousness is a like a watching a slow motion train wreck. God's willing to drown babies to show his support for one man's faith? And you people wonder why you are quickly losing your credibility on social issues and public policy (grown up stuff).

Are you blind or just foolish? We as a soceity grind up and dismember babies to perserve "a woman's right to choose." Yet all you can see is what God has done, or a perverse and wicked 'people.' (Not all were.) In your defence I guess it is pretty hard to see clearly with that plank sticking out of your own eye.. Wink

What plank would that be, Drich? What issue could you possibly have with terminating a pregnancy when your hero and savior God kills children, babies, and fetuses just to prove a point? Do you honestly not think there is a difference between a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, and a newborn baby? Should women have little devices placed in their vaginas so that you and your pals can monitor what goes on inside their bodies at all times?
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#57
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
Quote:There were however deviations in Huibers contemporary construction; according to the Bible, Noah used “gopher wood” when he built the Ark, but this has been disputed so the hull was built by welding the metal hulls of several old barges together and then using Scandinavian pine for the skin.

. . . . .

There were rumors that the Ark could have been sailed to London in time for the Olympics, though this turned out not to be the case. Deborah Venema-Huibers, manager of the Ark, said that they had to abandon plans to sail the ark to the London Olympics, after they were asked to make the wooden boat safer for visitors.

http://inhabitat.com/dutchman-johan-huib.../?extend=1

Yep. That's how Noah did it.

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#58
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 3:25 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(March 26, 2014 at 1:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: While I was prefer abortions not happen unless the mother's life is in danger, there is a considerable difference between an embryo/fetus that hasn't developed a brain, and someone who has a life somewhere that may or may not be malicious towards their fellow human being. In your god's opinion, I am just as bad as Hitler, or possibly worse because at least he was religious. The opinions of a deity of this mindset have no more place in society than any other dictator who thinks he's above everyone else just because he can commit genocide when he is displeased.

Nuance is not something God or his children grasp.

Obviously. It's either right or wrong with these people, though there are different interpretations of the infallible, unchanging word of Yahweh/Jesus.
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#59
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
Why is it that when Drich gets into the conversation I get nauseated?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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#60
RE: DESTROY NOAH'S ARK
(March 26, 2014 at 10:04 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote:How did Noah and his family build a wooden boat that's far bigger than it's actually possible to build without it breaking apart in the water? The boat is at once too big and too small.
ROFLOL
You know thier is a dutch builder who built one to scale right?
http://www.today.com/id/43492787/ns/toda...noahs-ark/


Johan Huibers built his full size Ark utilizing a steel frame skinned with cedar and pine. So, it is essentially a steel ship with a wooden facade.

Not exactly Biblical, eh Dritch?

Your gullibility never ceases to astound.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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