Not an atheist, have a question.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ok boru, at least you made an effort, so i'll give you a 2nd chance.

Because things like cats, cuttlefish, pandas and people don't do very well in an environment that consist of hydrogen plasma at a temperature of 10^32K.

What kept that super cat from existing?

A super cat which can survive in these early conditions you described, just like that super being we call "fish" which can survive marine conditions... conditions which pandas and people can never survive.

Oh, goody. A second chance. Lucky, lucky me *does a little jig of despair*

You kept yakking on about 'life as we know it'. An organism that could survive the conditions of the very early universe wouldn't be a cat. Cats are terrestrial mammals needing moderate temperatures, a nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere, copious amounts of water, and the occasional slow budgie to survive. None of these were present in the early universe (the time YOU stipulated). THAT'S what kept cats from existing during the early inflation.

As to your comments regarding pandas and people not being able to survive marine environments, that is true, but trite. Organisms evolve to fit their environs. I would no more expect to see aquatic pandas than I would expect to see terrestrial jellyfish. But ALL organisms require chemistry to survive. At 10^32K, chemical bonds cannot exist and chemical reactions don't take place - this is not opinion, it is the way things operate.

Since you want to keep playing this game, I graciously give you a third chance.

By the by, what IS your native language?

Boru

[Alex K]

Interesting! So what's the question, OP?

[pocaracas]

The question is argument from ignorance.
I honestly stopped reading at the past were he says the universe stated.
But boru has covered that detail so let's see how it plays out.

[Heywood]

The universe had a start, it took quite some time for earth to form and for life to exist... that -to me- does not make any sense at all..! Why wait?

Why did life not exist the way we know it here and now immediately after the big bang?Or why doesn't life exist as we know it here and now on the moon? mars? Why is there no intelligent life swimming in lava?

blah....blah....blah



What kept all these "lifes" from happening? why did the pen fell only one time?

Why did it take so long for life to emerge after the big bang? I think when the entire history of the universe is finally written, you will find that 10 billion years is but an instant relative to its enormously long life span.

Why does only one kind of life exist(carbon based)? Why isn't there life everywhere? I don't know...that is a question that bothers me as well....but I don't think it can be the basis of an argument in support of God.

[Cato]

With nothing around to give birth to God, won't he continue not to exist?

[mohd.ktln]

But ALL organisms require chemistry to survive.

(sigh)

Well, at least I tried.

It was a bad idea from the start but a friend of mine insisted on doing this.

Thank you for your time anyway.

Finally, there is local saying here that goes "Never preach something and act against it, the shame on you shall be great"

Good bye everyone.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Good bye everyone.

Oh you're leaving so soon?

You only managed to post nothing of note in 3 posts. Good luck in life!

[Brakeman]

But ALL organisms require chemistry to survive.

(sigh)

Well, at least I tried.

..
Finally, there is local saying here that goes "Never preach something and act against it, the shame on you shall be great"

Good bye everyone.

Tried what? To bullshit us into believing something stupid and irrational?

Your trite little phrase to me means "don't be a public hypocrite." how does that play into our discussions unless you are admitting that you don't believe the god shit either and were just playing POE.

Yes, the "Bye" is good!

[pocaracas]

Some people are not aware that carbon-based chemistry has an operating temperature which... surprise surprise... is below the water boiling point of 100ºC (~374K) So, if you put organic molecules in a fusion reactive star, at the nice cozy temperature of 10^34K (are you guys sure about this order of magnitude? seems too much, to me; I always thought the surface of the sun is at about 6000K and the interior a bit higher at ~20000K, but no matter), the molecules will, first disconnect every atom from the next, becoming a gas; then the atoms will lose some of their electrons, becoming a gas of ions which, in certain conditions of pressure and density, can become what is called a plasma and display a nice electro-magnetic behavior...
Anyway, individual ions are not very conducent to life, as what we define as life requires molecular bonds and other features not found in individual ions.

[Bob Kelso]

But ALL organisms require chemistry to survive.

(sigh)

Well, at least I tried.

It was a bad idea from the start but a friend of mine insisted on doing this.

Thank you for your time anyway.

Finally, there is local saying here that goes "Never preach something and act against it, the shame on you shall be great"

Good bye everyone.

Bye!