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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 6, 2014 at 5:07 pm
(April 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Lek Wrote: (April 6, 2014 at 9:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: That's a really stupid line of reasoning, as we can observe math working by doing it, we can observe evolution occurring live, and we can find many, many concepts for which the law of non-contradiction applies, and none for which it does not.
On the other hand, nobody has ever, ever been able to confirm any of the miraculous claims in the bible, and we know that the majority of them could not have happened. If this is the comparison you want to be making, then my next question will be: what observations can you make about the bible to confirm it to be true?
The Romans could have ended the controversy over Jesus' resurrection by bringing his body out of the tomb and showing everybody. I wonder why they didn't do that.
Because it had already been stolen by a necrophiliac with the pseudonym Joseph of Arimathea (a made up place).
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 6, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Quote: I wonder why they didn't do that.
Because your silly bullshit story didn't get going for 100 years. By that time, they were all conveniently dead.
You believe this shit actually happened. I regard that as 'your problem.'
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 6, 2014 at 5:48 pm
(April 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Lek Wrote: (April 6, 2014 at 9:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: That's a really stupid line of reasoning, as we can observe math working by doing it, we can observe evolution occurring live, and we can find many, many concepts for which the law of non-contradiction applies, and none for which it does not.
On the other hand, nobody has ever, ever been able to confirm any of the miraculous claims in the bible, and we know that the majority of them could not have happened. If this is the comparison you want to be making, then my next question will be: what observations can you make about the bible to confirm it to be true?
The Romans could have ended the controversy over Jesus' resurrection by bringing his body out of the tomb and showing everybody. I wonder why they didn't do that.
They might not have put him in a tomb at all. Who knows? They might have thrown him into Gehenna, a valley that they kept constantly burning to destroy bodies, or just threw him in a pit with other criminals as they sometimes did.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 6, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Obviously, there are secular discoveries that support the background situation of the bible story, but none that I know of that support the miraculous events recorded within. I honestly think that if you base your willingness to believe only on collaborating secular findings and aren't willing to accept the witness of the bible writers then I agree you won't believe. We do rely on the honesty and accuracy of the bible's writers, but more by our experiences and the shared experiences of others with God. The bible leads to us God, but anybody who wishes to follow him must take that step of faith. Anything supernatural is simply absurd to any person who is willing to base their beliefs only on naturally acquired knowledge and experiences.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 1:10 am
(April 6, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote: Anything supernatural is simply absurd to any person who is willing to base their beliefs only on naturally acquired knowledge and experiences.
Yes. "Naturally acquired" because that is how human being obtain knowledge by default. First show us evidence for the supernatural and we will look into it.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 5:26 am
(April 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Lek Wrote: The Romans could have ended the controversy over Jesus' resurrection by bringing his body out of the tomb and showing everybody. I wonder why they didn't do that.
Hmm... 
Maybe Jesus never existed and so there's no body to show!  hock:
Or, to avoid having to speculate, we could just stick to what we know: that the book was written by a bunch of men who were invested in having this supposed miracle be preserved, and so no matter what actually happened were committed to portraying the events as being a proper resurrection.
What's next, are you going to ask us why Coke advertizements never tell us how great Pepsi tastes? 
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 9:24 am
(April 5, 2014 at 2:54 pm)professor Wrote: To the OP, the reason there is little discussed about those raised from the dead when Jesus rose is that we are not told what happened next. Which is mind-boggling, considering what was described:
Matthew 27:52,53 Wrote:and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised; and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many. These weren't just any people, they were "the saints." And they appeared to "many people" in "the holy city." Are we to assume that they did this in a manner that made them unrecognizable as anything but resurrected 'saints'? Because if so, then the passage is meaningless. Otherwise, why aren't there any reports of the return of such men of renown, who appeared to so many?
Matthew is the only gospel that mentions this fantastic occurrence. It also deviates from the others in mentioning that a guard was posted at the tomb (turning it into a minor sub-plot) as well as the only one that mentions Judas' suicide; it's clear that "Matthew" wasn't very impressed with the first draft of the gospels and decided it needed some sprucing up. If he was alive today he'd be one of those Hollywood screenwriters who would listen to your pitch about a tender love story and ask if you could "add a few explosions." He's the Michael Bay of the gospels.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 2:23 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: We can't say for sure. The Bible doesn't always give us the details for every question. What we do know for sure (taken from reading below/the text): Tombs were opened by an earthquake when Jesus died. Many bodies of dead saints were raised from the dead. They came out of their graves after Christ was resurrected. They went into Jerusalem and appeared to many people. They were alive.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Quote: I honestly think that if you base your willingness to believe only on collaborating secular findings and aren't willing to accept the witness of the bible writers then I agree you won't believe.
Isn't that fucking convenient.
So, IOW, you are perfectly willing to be conned as long as your pretty little fairy tale survives.
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RE: What happened to Matthew's zombies?
April 7, 2014 at 2:49 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote: I honestly think that if you base your willingness to believe only on collaborating secular findings and aren't willing to accept the witness of the bible writers then I agree you won't believe.
Isn't that fucking convenient.
So, IOW, you are perfectly willing to be conned as long as your pretty little fairy tale survives.
Jackass.
That's the way I see it. Sorry, but you're the one being conned.
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